The Norwegian government has decided to join the newest global body dedicated to promoting renewable energy. The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) has been created to fund and encourage green energy especially in developing countries, as well as the rest of the world.
Norway’s Foreign Minister, Jonas Gahr Store commented: “The government intends to play its part in promoting the use of renewable energy, which is absolutely essential if we are to succeed in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The establishment of IRENA is a positive signal in the run-up to the Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen later this year. Norway’s ambition is that IRENA should be an effective organisation, with clear targets, for promoting the use of renewable energy.”
The Norway Post reports that IRENA will focus on promoting geothermal energy, hydropower, bio energy, solar and wind energy, and ocean and wave energy. Presently IRENA, which is open to every UN member nation, is the only global body dedicated solely to promoting renewable power.
Norway’s participation in IRENA was officially signed by its Ministries of Environment, Petroleum and Energy, and Foreign Affairs. The treaty was signed in Bonn on 26 January by Norway’s State Secretary of the Ministry of Petroleum and Energy, Robin Martin Kaass.
I could not possibly conduct a case review with any accuracy without having seen the whole volume of notes. ,
Anyone producing weapons of destruction,and to kill is nothing better than a war monger or brutal killer , or a bastard terrorist!
and please Norway should take come-out of their closet, they are fakers!—-A terrorist makes weapon to kill and destroy, Norway makes weapons to kill and destroy, it’s hard to find the difference, because the similarity is too much!
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Sorry,”terrorist” was a bad choice of word .i mean unligitimate soarces such as ex soviet ,under the table mafia like dealings.
Guns and arms are now and always will be in demand , if they are bought legally from reputable countries such as Norway, britain,u.s.a etc.
Don’t you think this is at least better than than ONLY terrorists supplying the demand ?
Because don’t you all think thats the alternative?
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Moreover it is rather strange if Norway use its secularism as a pretext to slander jews while at the same time negotiates with medieval religious fascists.
There we have it again, the double moral: while some norwegian tv clown gladly ridicules jews in concentration camps and burns pages from a holy book on tv he is too affraid to make similar ‘jokes’ about islam.
He knows that from jews the only thing he might receive are angry comments in the (international) media. From hamas supporters he can expect a knife in his back.
Please keep in mind that the scientific and humane traditions on which Europe has been built are mostly jewish in origin. Judaism is the origin of both christianity and islam. I will not go as far as Gus does but by slandering judaism as ‘something evil and mediaval’ like Gaarder has been doing he just shows that he does not know anything about his own history.
About playing a role as a mediator, something which Norway did in the past: the mediator needs to be trusted and respected by BOTH sides. Since Norway clearly made Israel responsible for what happened in Gaza, apparenty without knowing the backgrounds, this makes Norway unacceptable as a mediator/negotiator in the future. That is (lack of) CREDIBILITY.
And finally you are not interpeting my comments on the environment correctly. I was not being sarcastic when I wrote that Statoil is a leader in environmental friendly technology. I do know for instance that statoil manages to store nitrogen in cavities from which it just extracted gas, in stead of ejecting this nitrogen (which comes from the ground together with gas) into the atmosphere as other exporers do.
With such a knowledge Norway COULD play a role as a guide in sound environmental activities. However by killing whales and seals it ruins this possibility since other countries can always point to this when Norway would try to criticize them.
And here we are returning to the point I was making: by having a double morale Norway is undermining its own role in the world, both as a mediator in international conflicts and as a leader in environmental protection.
@PB
I do not think this link is invalid since I am directed to the article when I click on it.
I also do not count myself a hysteric zionist (i am not abusing you or labeling you as an anti-semite, am I?)
and while I do not agree that Quisling should be used in the argument there are just facts what Gerstenfeld is mentioning.
Norway condemned Israel and received hamas, the only western country to do so.
History will prove the norwegian gov wrong: you should not negotiate with fascists.
While the previous palestinian authorities deserved serious negotiations (and I do admit that Israel did not give this to them) the reality is that it is not possible to deal with Hamas.
I am affraid that you just do not know what they are about:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/42983/cc548e5e/hamas_bugs_bunny.html
While the attack on gaza might seem terrible , please realize that Hamas only wants the complete destruction of Israel. When hamas had access to Israel it blew up innocent people in busses and restaurants and after Israel managed to lock them up in Gaza they started firing rockets. What is Israel supposed to do in such a situation?
The view of the ideal,secular and tolerant society you paint is …well…excuse me, I have the idea that you are living in a pink bubble of utopic political correctness. This might exist in the (remote) region where you live but it has nothing to do with reality.
Hamas will not rest before the whole world will obey the same mediaeval form of islam that they beleive in. Before that is the case they will gladly use naive people as ‘useful idiots’.
Even liberal muslims are criminals to them. Have a look at this, hamas misstreating its own people whose only crime it was to sing during a wedding:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/373671/68a8163a/arabier_over_hamas.html
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PEACE IS NOT ONLY ABOUT DIALOGUE, IT IS ABOUT TAKING PRACTICAL STEPS INTO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BEING THE 7TH BIGGEST EXPORTER OF WEAPONS DOES NOT MAKE OF NORWAY A COUNTRY CONTRIBUTING TO WORLD PEACE. NORWAY IS ONE OF THE MAIN CONTRIBUTORS TO WAR. BY SELLING GUNS NORWAY IS MAKING A HUGE BET FOR WEAPONS TO BE USED TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN NATIONS.
NORWAY IS PRODUCING BOMBS, TANKS, WARPLANES AND WEAPONS OF ALL KIND AND IS MAKING A HUGE PROFIT OF THIS INHUMAN MARKET.
I WILL CONSIDER NORWAY A COUNTRY OF PEACE WHEN THEY’LL HAVE STOPPED TO PRODUCE AND SELL WEAPONS. BECAUSE WEAPONS, WHEREVER THEY GO, ARE USED TO KILL.
IT IS TOTALLY USELESS THAT NORWAY WANTS TO BE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS THAT NORWAY PRODUCES AND SELLS WEAPONS.
NORWAY HAS TWO FACES AND DOUBLE MORAL…
Norwegians are hypocrites.!
@Toni
I second that!
Don’t forget that they also do whale hunting…lol
fook Norway!….they are crooked and they make and sell weapons worldwide to promote waring factions of war torn states, and they pretend to be peacemakers.
fookin, stinkin, hypocrites!
@Øystein
I am curious about it. I did like this norwegian programme on the speculations of the ‘outbund vikings’ and their shady dealings, even if I could not understand all of it.
@Niels. There will be an one hour program about Israel on Norwegian national television today. Among others there will be an interview with Shimon Peres.
Niels: First of all your link is invalid. By what I think that page contained, are these kinds of emotional expressions that is a vital part of any democracies, especial when governments and the majority do not support a specific political action, like the unconditional support for the bombing of Gaza. Today Norway is moving away from religious perspectives and stigmata; its secular, this can be seen reflected in the absence of any sub theocratic society rule and a government with rule of faith. The future for Norway and most of the western world will from now on and always be multi religious conglomerates and large groups of people without any faith, where all are viewed as equal. The present lack of a deep religious majority (Christians) in Norway is viewed in polls of why we (Norwegians) do not support the continuation of war in the “holy land”. I can understand that this is viewed on with a lot of anger by many, especially the political elite in Israel. Norwegians are disgusted by the situation; where no one wants to stop the fight, and most Norwegians feel it’s time to make peace, and NOT another unilateral peace/cease-fire. I understand that the easiest way for Israeli sympathizers is to ward off any criticism as anti-Jewish, and for me; I think that’s ok. This is a valid technique to hamper all discussion, even thou this is a case of interstate war rather than a directly religious one. There will always be in all kinds of wars/situations people with extreme views on the reality. The technique of boxing the majority of Norwegians as anti-Jewish on the basis of racialist views from the few, is not a good one, even thou the majority do not approve all of Israel’s moves. I hope you (Niels) will continue your fight for what you think is right or not, for it’s important for a functional democracy to listen to all real arguments.
For your double-standard argument, in the peace talks Norway have been arbitrated it have been an neutral, objective and an expertise resource for parties to facilitate talks, even a source for funding for rebuilding war devastated areas. Your opinion of why Norway should not facilitates such an effort falls on its own unreasonable arguments, when you in the same breath don’t condemn other countries for the same.
CREDIBILITY (in a situation) = to be objective (in that situation)!
It’s good to hear that Norway in your view does not have to do almost any effort for the environment; this would save us a lot of money that we for a long time have been “wasted”. Your view as I can interpret it, and as I also can give a partly support for is that Norway should not take out the natural gas liquids just because Europe needs it, let it be in the seabed and let Europe freeze or use more brown-coal/nuclear-power to warm themselves. This would for Norway’s part make us a more environmental nation.
@PB, Øystein,
In all fairness, like I said the jscpa link is quite harh and while I agree with the criticism of the present norwegian gov I think it is unfair that Gerstenfeld comes up with Quisling. I know there were collaborators all over occupied Europe (Holland very much included) and I also know that the majority of norwegians rejected nazism.
@PB, Øystein,
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The role that USA and France already play today? So positive contribution in peace talks should not come from countries that produces weaponds? Who is left then? Iceland? Nauru? Nepal?
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I am mostly refering to taking part in peace keeping operations like for instance Norway and Holland are doing at the moment in Afghanistan. If you look at the countries that take part in this ISAF you will see there are a lot of them which actually do not have a big weapons industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Security_Assistance_Force#Contributing_nations
As far as a positive contribution to international peace negotiations, this has nothing to do with having an army or not, it has to do with CREDIBILITY.
CREDIBILITY = Not having a double moral
In the recent past Norway made an admirable contribution to the peace process in the middle east but the present norwegian gov takes sides with Hamas, labels Israel as agressor and at the same time sells lots of weapons.
In doing so Norway has disqualified itself as a peace broker: the israeli side will never take them serious again.
Even though the following article is harsh in its tone it makes quite clear how the norwegian elite apparently feels about jews.Personally I was shocked to notice that some of the anti-semitic cartoons appeared in Aftenposten ,one of the biggest newspaper. I had believed it had featured in some obscure right-wing publication.
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=381&PID=470&IID=1919
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If we where to transfer the same doktrin to something els, then Norway should not contribute to environment since we are pro whale and seal slaughtering?
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No, but by killing whales and seals Norway disqualifies itself as a leader in environmental policy too, by showing a double moral, just like the norwegian gov has disqualified itself as a leader in international peace efforts.
If Norway would ever try to criticize another country on its environmental policy this country would retaliate by pointing at these norwegian activities.
In fact this is a pitty since I know that for instance Statoil is a leader in environmental – friendly technologies.
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And for your information – Turkey and Czech is members of Nato.
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yes but does this mean you should automatically sell weapons to them , or participate blindly in everything they are doing? It is no justification at all.
While the UK, and for instance Holland and Denmark blindly followed the US when it invaded Iraq, france and Germany openly opposed this attack and they were right on that one. They refused to take part in an unjust war.
Do you think it would be a valid excuse for Blair, Balkenende and the danish gov now to justify their support for this invasion by simply saying that the USA is a NATO country? It is no argument at all for unjust behaviour!
While there was a military gov in Turkey in the 1980’s other nato countries refused to sell weapons to them since they did not want to support this dictatorship. Likewise, other NATO members have been very reluctant to sell military equipment to Turkey recently since they fear it will be used against kurdish people.
And with CZ, what sense does this norwegian policy make about not selling weapons to conflict areas directly, while Norway does not mind that the Czech rep gladly resells norwegian weapons to conflict regions?
Norway boastfully prides itself in this ‘peace-loving’ policy and at the same time closes its eyes to things that happen with its weapons once they have been tranfered to another NATO country.
It is this double moral that is being questioned.
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And – it is OK to me if Norway reduce weapon export/production – there is enough of it in the world.
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This is a true word. I wouldn’t mind if Holland did the same.
Once more Øystein, I am not attacking you personally, it is the double standard of the present norwegian gov.
@P.B finnmark , Norway:
This is a bonus:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42650
:)
@P.B,Finnmark, Norway
There are estimated to be about 639 million small arms and light weapons in the world today, according to the Control Arms campaign coordinated by Amnesty International, Oxfam and the London-based International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA). These often end up in the wrong hands, contributing both to wars and violent crime, and hindering development.
Norway, a country which prides itself on its peace building credentials, was the world’s seventh largest exporter of weapons components, ammunition and tanks in 2006, according to recent figures based on earnings from Norway’s Central Statistics Bureau (SSB).
In 2007 Norwegian weapons exporters earned 425 million dollars — an 18 percent increase on the previous year, and the largest in Norwegian history. This was 3.5 percent of the global weapons trade, although the secretiveness of the global weapons industry and the illegal weapons trade makes exact measurements impossible.
According to the Norwegian foreign department’s legal guidelines, weapons should not be exported to countries at war, where there is a threat of war, or where there is a civil war. But a recent report from the NGO Norwegian Church Aid (NCA) lists a series of controversial arms and ammunition transfers from Norway in the past two decades.
For further details you can click here to see the double faced Norwegians, they’re talking peace and selling weapons.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42650
@Niels “I could say: there are plenty of countries (different from Holland/Norway) contributing to peace efforts without having a really big weapons industry.”
Honestly. Do you really think that is a problem to Norway? The whole idea of making peace is to get people to cooperate.
And for your information – Turkey and Czech is members of Nato.
And – it is OK to me if Norway reduce weapon export/production – there is enough of it in the world.
Niels: “I could say: there are plenty of countries (different from Holland/Norway) contributing to peace efforts without having a really big weapons industry.”
The role that USA and France already play today? So positive contribution in peace talks should not come from countries that produces weaponds? Who is left then? Iceland? Nauru? Nepal?
If we where to transfer the same doktrin to something els, then Norway should not contribute to environment since we are pro whale and seal slaughtering?
@PB
Both in composition (sale of excess weaponry, hightech contributions to international projects) and in size the norwegian military trade does not differ too much from the dutch, however related to the total size of the population Norway is a bigger trader in weapons, I think.
Moreover, as far as i know, Norway (unlike Holland) is a very big producer of ammunition too. while the norwegian gov prides itself in the fact that it does not sell this ammunition to countries from conflict regions, it apparently does not care about the fact that for instance the Czech republic buys norwegian ammunition and after this resells it to countries from conflict regions.
Moreover I found information that Norway did sell military equipment to Turkey which used it to suppress the kurds, so these principles apparently are not too strong.
The point which Gus is making is this: that there is some hypocrisy in this: on the one hand posing as a country of peace, on the other hand earning a lot of money from weapons, even selling weapons to dubious regimes which violate human rights.
If Norway would really care it would for instance stop selling ammunition to the Czech rep too, or at least it would have to ask guarantees from the czech authorities that they will not resell this ammunition to dubious parties.
Our dutch gov sells weapons to almost any country in this world, (just like the USA , Britain, France…) something that i am not proud of , but at least it does not try to pose to the rest of the world as a nation of peace with some moral superiority.
In answer to your question:
Should Norway as a small (peace) nation not have an army or defense or industry supporting it, simply because we are doing peace effort?
I could say: there are plenty of countries (different from Holland/Norway) contributing to peace efforts without having a really big weapons industry.
Niels/GUS: Norway has “3.5 per cent of the world’s total… reported exports”, 4th in Europe in 2006 [SSB]. This includes revenues from licensed production in other countries and selling of discarded material; ships and airplanes. The export turnover consist of production made by NAMMO (Nordic Ammunition Group, a 50/50 per cent owned company with Finland), and Kongsberg Gruppen (50 per cent Norwegian owned) who are also dealing with satellite services and 70 per cent revenues comes from abroad Norway. One of the main expertise and sale turnovers of Norwegian weapon export is high-tech rockets for use from sea and air.
If Norway where selling weapons to one part of any conflict we would not have much credibility in peace effort in that conflict. I would like to turn around the questions and ask: Should Norway as a small (peace) nation not have an army or defense or industry supporting it, simply because we are doing peace effort? Should Norway NOT help peace effort at all because we sell weapons to NATO and its closest allies?
@P.B., Finnmark
Yes Holland delivers weapons to Israel and also buys a lot from them. We used israeli guns when I did my army service.
I am fine with that. Israel is the only democratic country in this region.
If you feel Israel should be boycotted please have a look at this one , I already posted it before.
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/359301/76258e1a/u_wilt_israel_boycotten_.html
“Norway, a country which prides itself on its peace building credentials, was the world’s seventh largest exporter of weapons components, ammunition and tanks in 2006, according to recent figures based on earnings from Norway’s Central Statistics Bureau (SSB).
In 2007 Norwegian weapons exporters earned 425 million dollars — an 18 percent increase on the previous year, and the largest in Norwegian history. This was 3.5 percent of the global weapons trade, although the secretiveness of the global weapons industry and the illegal weapons trade makes exact measurements impossible. ”
PEACE NORWAY ??
NORWAY, TALKING PEACE AND SELLING WEAPONS!!
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42650
To all anti-weapon production comment: Norway does not sell weapon to warlords, if we were then please show some true evidence on that. We are (by our size) obliged to contribute to the common interest of NATO, it is in NATOs interest that we sell our weapons to NATO. If it was not the case, they would not buy these guns. But as in all families, NATO has some bad apples, these are sell our weapons to third states for profits. Countries as USA, UK, etc. (and probably also Holland) are selling to countries like Saud-Arabia and Israel. These NATO countries dislike end-user-contracts for their products, and it would all boil down to if Norway then should go out of NATO, just so that we don’t need to sell weapons to third states?
Starlington: Please understand this; the present Norwegian political rule and people is against Nuclear arms, and nuclear power plants. If the all mighty Britts could stop polluting the air and our seas with their nuclear wastes we probably could have another idea on this case, but at the present this technology is not failsafe.
@Øystein
First of all, please read my previous posts.I make a distinction between the norwegian people (whom I respect) and the norwegian gov.
I do not blame the norwegian people, I do not blame you and I do not blame the people around you (I believe you are decent persons) , it is the nowegian gov which I am talking about.
This gov made it very clear that only Israel is to blame for the recent events.
Apart from the fact that this is one-sided it is very naive to behave like this towards a crazy organization like Hamas: it will only encourage them to continue.
the site I sent you contains several links and these links point to all kinds of anti-semitism.
Now I am prepared to believe that this is not representative for the norwegian people but just have a look at the cartoons: jewish politicians are being portrayed with all kinds of racial stereotypes like big noses.
This might seem innocent to you but it is quite painful and offensive since exactly the same style of cartooning was used by the chief cartoonist of Nazi Germany, Mjölnir.
I am sure that these cartoonists are too affraid to portray islamic terrorists in a similar manner.
I do not mind if israeli politicians get criticized, in fact I have been critical about them myself in other threads since I think they screwed up the peace process after Rabin was murdered.
But they should not be portrayed as ‘war criminals with big noses’ .
I do hope people in Gaza will benefit from the help they are receving but so far all of it is quite discouraging. Holland built a completely new harbour installation in Gaza some years ago. Hamas used it to smuggle weapons and therefore Israel destroyed it.
The palestinians in Gaza have received enormous donations from (mainly) western nations, in fact, a very large part of the population lives entirely on food aid from the UN. Billions are flowing into Gaza.
In the days of Fatah and Arafat most of this money went directly to the swiss bank accounts of Arafat and his clique.
Nowadays the money goes to Hamas and is used for buying weapons and terrorizing their own population.
Arab countries who have plenty of money do not support the palestinians at all even though these are their ‘brothers’. They WANT the palestinians to remain poor and desperate since only when they are like this they will be fanatical enough to continue to fight Israel (people who have a house and a job will usually not blow themselves up).
Hope you will have a nice time in NL, Øystein.
regards
Hold on, those who cannot pay were in the old days called reckless, I learned that from my grandmother, we do not intend to pay other people’s debts . . .
NORWAY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, DO YOU THINK IT WILL DAMAGE YOUR ECONOMY TO HELP ICELAND WITH A MILLION OR TWO??
IF I WAS NORWAY I HAD ALREADY GIVEN TO ICELAND 2 OR 3 BILLIONS AS A PRESENT FOR CHARITY PURPOSES!!! THEY ARE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND YOU LET THEM STARVE!!!
IS THIS WHAT SCANDINAVIAN BROTHERHOOD IS ABOUT??
SHAMELESS, YOU ARE TREATING EACH OTHERS AS DOGS IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY…
OYSTEN, AND THEN YOU ALWAYS COME UP WITH YOUR SPECIFIC POSTS ABOUT THIS AND THAT, ALWAYS SO CORRECT, WHERE IS YOUR HEART OYSTEN?? WHY DON´T YOU TALK ABOUT THE ICELANDERS THAT ARE YOUR BROTHER AND SISTERS OF BLOOD?? WHY DON´T YOU GO DIRECT TO WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THIS PEOPLE IN NEED?? WHY DO YOU SAY THEY SHOULD JUST GET OUT OF THE HOLE THEMSELVES??
THAT IS WHY THEY NEED YOU OYSTEIN, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS… OR DID YOU EXPECT TO SHOW YOUR SOLIDARITY WHEN THEY DON´T NEED IT???
THEY NEED IT NOW IN THIS VERY HISTORICAL MOMENT AND I KNOW NORWAY HAS PROBLEMS OF THEIR OWN.. BUT YOU SHOULD THINK THAT WHEN TRAGEDY CAME TO OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD ICELANDERS WHERE THE FIRST TO DONATE THINGS, LIKE WHEN THE ASIAN TSUNAMI, SWEDEN AND NORWAY DISCUSSING FOR DAYS WHAT TO DO WHILE THE ICELNADERS WHERE THERE IN ASIA THE DAY AFTER WITH ALL THE HELP FOR ALL THE SCANDINAVIANS AND JUST ANYONE THERE!!!
AND NOW YOU SEE ICELANDERS IN REAL NEED AND YOU DONT DO A THING FOR THEM, REALLY REALLY SHAMELESS, SPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE, BECAUSE ICELANDERS AND NORWEGIANS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE… OR WHERE DO YOU THINK THE ICELANDERS CAME FROM? AUSTRALIA??
COMPLETELY SHAMELESS!!
Norway will shake you with one hand and you’ll never know what’s in the other hand hidden behind their back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4584132.stm
IF NORVEGIANS HAD SOME HUMAN SENSE THEY WOULD BE SENDING DIRECT HELP TO THE HUNDREDS OF ICELANDIC FAMILIES THAT NEED URGENT HELP OF FOOD, CLOTHES AND MEDICINES…
I DON´T UNDERSTAND WHY NORVEGIANS ARE SO EGOIST AND THEY DON´T WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING AWAY TO THEIR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!
THIS IS INCREDIBLE, THIS IS SUCH A SHAME FOR NORWAY!!! ICELANDERS ARE STARVING IN THE WINTER WHILE YOU JUST KEEP THERE IN YOUR HOMES EATING YOUR NICE FOOD AND DRINKING YOUR CHAMPAIGN, HAVING HUNDRENDS OF BILLIONS IN BANKS AND YOU DON´T EVEN HELP THIS ICELANDIC CHILDREN IN NEED!!! SHAMELESS!!!
YOU HAVE SEEN THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HERE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING, THEIR HOUSES, THEIR JOBS, THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THEY ARE ABANDONING THE COUNTRY IN DOZENS OF HUNDREDS EVERY MONTH AND YOU DON´T DO A THING FOR THEM??!!!!
TOTALLY SHAMELESS REALLY, PEOPLE ORGANIZING IN COUNTRIES LIKE SPAIN, PORTUGAL AND ITALY TO CREATE FUNDS TO HELP PEOPLE IN ICELAND AND YOU JUST KEEP THERE WATCHING WITHOUT DOING A THING… JUST BECAUSE YOU DON´T WANT TO SHARE YOUR RICHNESS WITH YOU POOR BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!
BUT I CAN TELL THAT MAYBE ICELANDERS ARE TOO PROUD OF THEMSELVES TO ACEPT ANYTHING FROM THE NORVEGIANS ANYMORE!!!
I THINK THAT THE ICELANDERS, AS THEY HAVE SEEN YOU DON´T CARE, THEY WOULD TELL THE NORVEGIANS TO TAKE THEIR MONEY AND STICK IT ALL UP TO THEIR ***ES
@Niels – Your posting is still nonsens – sorry, but there is no better word – antisemmitism in Norway are very, very low.
You show me a site about antisemmitism i Norway – I would more thrust an Iceland bank. If you thrust that site, then you don´t understand Norwegians.
We know that there are these campaign about Norway – but as I said – that site you present is nonsens.
But you feel free to critisize Iceland, then you should accept some critical view on some of Israeli politics too.
I am going to NL later this year with very close friends, one whos father is jew. I could have told you about closer relations…, but I stop here.
Niels, please don´t belive in all you read on the internett – even if it support your view.
I think Gaza has bigger problems than Iceland, and Norway has been asked to rebuild both communities. I am glad we have both gas- and electricity lines to Neterlands, so we can get money to afford these projects.
Niels (Danish/Norwegian name?) – there is still hope.
@Jean Pierre – Here is some info about electricity import/export in Norway. Norway is part of a Nordic Marked – we buy and sell. Production depends on weather through the year – rain and snow.
http://www.statnett.no/en/The-power-system/Production-and-consumption/Import-and-export/
There is also a new cable to Netherland (NorNed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NorNed
Norway plans to use about 2 billion Euro the next 10 years to get a better network on the mainland.
@Øystein
I am distinguishing between the norwegian people (which I respect) and the norwegian government.
Here is just a small collection of activities from norwegian authorities:
http://www.antisemittisme.no/engl/index.php
Especially the fact that the norwegian gov has recognized Hamas is stupidity, plain stupidity. I have no other words for that.
Here in Holland such projects where people are shown around former concentration camps and encouraged to take part in memorial services unfortunately do not seem to work with north african migrants. These people even rejoice at the thought that so many people were murdered by the nazi’s. They play football with the flowers that we put down at the war memorials. This is no joke, in parts of Amsterdam police has to guard these flowers!!
And the people who do this all support hamas!
Please do not get me wrong, I have nothing against Norway but I think the norwegian gov has been totally wrong blaming Israel for the recent events. please have a look at the links on hamas I posted, this will give you an idea what they are about.
@Niels. I knew this will come and it is just nonsens. But, when a myth is established – it is very difficult to get rid of it.
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Weapon politics: It is those you dont´t like that wants to reduce Norwegian weapon production and more control by export. I dont´t think Norway politics differs much from other NATO members.
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Norway and antisemittism. Just an excample:
In my region (and other regions) it is very common that pupils at an age of 15 use one week together before leaving public school to visit one of the concentration camps, just to learn how bad Holocaust was. If possible, ther have been “time witnesses” (a person who surviveled the camp”. Parents are also welcomed to join if possible. My sons have been there. Why do you think we use time and money on that?
But there is a general hope i Norway that there will be peace in the Middle East – but that is only possible if all really wants it.
@Bromley
In fact these figures surprised me too :-)
no offense Bromley.
cheers and greetings
Thanks Niels. In no way do I disapprove of the Netherlands and I’m sorry if it looked like I did.
Actually, I was a bit miffed that you’d overtaken the UK :) .
@Bromley86
I appreciate your contributions to this forum and please allow me to remark the following on the dutch ‘military industry’.
Holland does not have a military industry as you would expect,I mean they do not produce too many guns and ammuniton here.
The dutch military export comes form 3 things:
-sale of excess weapons
-contributions to high-tech military projects (like the euro-fighter)
-deliveries of military ships
1. The dutch army sells a lot of its obsolete weapons every year, mainly tanks and F16 fighter planes. I can personally confirm this.When I did my army service (a long time ago) next to our army base there was another ‘army base’ which basically was a large storage area where all kinds of military equipment (ranging from small pieces of artillery to tanks) was camouflaged under the trees.Quite regularly ‘monkeys wearing medals’ (as we called them ) would come from countries like Chile, Venezuela and Kenya, in order to buy this stuff.
One of our main duties was to guard this area.
2. Holland contributes to a lot of NATO projects in which high-tech weapons are being developed. This is also discounted in the statistic you mentioned. The ‘euro-fighter’ is one of them.
3. The dutch navy builds its own ships. they are usually good quality and countries like Chile and Indonesia like to order their ships here.
In 2006 dutch weapon sales were obvioulsy high because Indonesia placed some orders in that year.
One difference between Holland and Norway is the fact that we do not have an extreme-left and anti semmitic government here which sells weapons to conservative muslims.
Our governments stands by Israel and does not sell to Iran, Hamas or related organizations.
I admire Norway as a country but I do not admire the present norwegian government.
Jews have never done anything bad to Norway, Israel only wants to have good relations with Norway, in fact, in the recent past norwegian mediation between Israel and the palestinian was greatly appreciated, so why does the present norwegian gov show so much hatred to Israel?
BROOMLEY, BUT, THE CASE HERE IS NORWAY, YOU KNOW THAT NORWAYS WEAPON INDUSTRY IS HUGE, SPECIALLY IN RELATION TO ITS FEW INHABITANTS… THE THING HERE IS THAT NORWAY CONTINUES TO PLAY A DOUBLE MORAL ROLE IN THE WORLD. AND THAT IS WHAT I DON´T LIKE…
@GUS. A quick look at Norway’s arms sales would seem to paint them in a far better light than you do. Of greater interest is the huge increase in Dutch exports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters
http://www.ssb.no/vis/english/magazine/art-2008-03-12-01-en.html
Norway is trying to be a good boy, ”Norway’s ambition is that IRENA should be an effective organization, with clear targets, for promoting the use of renewable energy.” I hope they don’t renew the energy to make more of the sophisticated weapons and sell it to the warlords in war torn areas. I smell some Norwegian Double faced Sh*t.
Does anyone else smell the same Sh*t??
NORWAY IS TAKING GOOD STEPS INTO BE AN ECOLOGICAL AND CLEAN ENERGY COUNTRY.
NORWAYS MAIN CONTRIBUTION TO A CLEAN WORLD IS ITS EXTRACTION AND SELLING OF OIL THAT WILL DEFENETLY KEEP GOING OUR CARS AND CONTINUE TO POLUTE THE ENVIROMENT…
AND THEN THE OTHER MEGA NORVEGIAN CONTRIBUTION TO HUMANITY AND T HIS PLANET IS ITS RAPIDLY GROWING ARMAMENT AND WEAPON INDUSTRY THAT SUPPLIES OF THE MOST SOFISTICATED WEAPONS TO THE MAIN WARS IN THE WORLD….
THANKS NORWAY FOR MAKING THE EARTH A BETTER PLACE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS!!!
Isn’t the Norwegian electrical distribution network obsolete and importing energy from Sweden? I think I read something like this on Aftenposten