According to the Prime Minister of Iceland, Johanna Sigurdardottir the solution indroduced today is the best option in a bad situation. She and Steingrimur J. Sigfusson, Minister of Finance agree that Iceland cannot get any further with this matter and it does not serve Icelandic interests to leave it open any longer.
The Icelandic government has decided that Mr. Sigfusson will sign the proposal on behalf of Iceland and that it will then be put in front of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, as soon as possible.
The finance ministers of all three countries involved will give out a joint statement tomorrow (Monday).
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Many politicians, also in Iceland are internationalists, want regionalization, the Social Democrats in Iceland simply don’t care about Iceland’s sovereignity or wellbeing of her population,aslong it can join the EU, at any costs. There’s also a lot of conflict of interrests involved between businessndeals and politicians.
I just explain it very boiled down now Peter.
It’s not different than the dutch goverment and how they sell us out, where referendum’s are ignored, when the PM childish says he cannot go to Brussels. Ofcourse he can:”the population have spoken out”. Then our PM said, ok, next time about one and a half year there won’t be a referendum, and indeed. Now he tells his advised by some quasi goverment related institute and says that advise says he doesn’t have to keep a referendum. See, if we say “no”, they simply and these thinktanks kkeep trying it untill they get “yes” or they take away the possibility of a next referendum,or take advantage of your economic situation and then hope the population think the solution is in the EU… see Ireland for example. Also check the EU , and many of these elitists that where the founders of it, for decaded write openly about the post-democratic society for the New World Order.
That’s all you need to know, now maybe the social Democrats in Iceland are simply naieve, honestly i don’t think so. Usually if you research the individuals involved you find business ties and conflicts of interrests that make joining the EU a personal matter for them. Outside that most politicians, are trained to be internationalists, endign the nationstate and replacing it by regionalization and free trade ( free trade is British Dutch Mercantilism / imperialism)it’s not really free trade, but our royal house, one Germany family, in the UK they changed their name to Windsor in 1917, is pushign this via Club of Rome, Bilderberg where they are members of.
They write about it in the Club of Rome openly.
These monetarist free trade austrian / London School and in america, Chicago School of Economists,also took the US over in 1913, via the Federal Reserve Act. soem of the private banks that own the Fed are Dutch and British, and the royal families, actually one family owns it all.
The US couldn’t be taken over militairly, so they struggled to set up a Central Bank to take over the money supply of the US, that failed, untill president Woodrow Wilson, who admitted before he died that he sold the US out.
The Anglo-Dutch system, monetarist, free trade/ mercantilist system is like a vampire on other nations. Oh and in case you like to know, the EU is run from London City, by the oligarchs,this internationalist clique that is borderless, but operates from certain places of power, especially the City of London.
So if Icelanders are pro EU and push for joining it, they will fall for the same trap. You won’t get any bennefit, but will pay for membernations that are under average.
In the cause of Iceland, they can try to put in quota’s and regulations that will cripple the development of your country.We already live under many of these in the EU.
That’s the story in short, if you don’t believe me, you can research it for yourself, find the documents, find speeches, find recordings, or read it in encyclopedia’s if you know where to look for.
Also don’t fall for the right or left or anything in politics, cause it’s all nonsense, the big agenda’s are always pushed through. That division is nothing but a dialect to confuse you and give you a different flavor of your personal liking so that you think you are in opposition of something you don’t like, but on top of these parties, it’s all bi-partisan and they join the same clubs.
At best you have a few genuine individuals wether they are left or right or whatever.
If you are confused, i can also give you examples of that, but it’s better to find it out yourself, cause i can tell anything, right?
Fisy said:
“It is simply a last desperate attempt to ram rod somehthing parliament ”
Are you saying that this agreement was signed without full discussion with Parliament a SECOND time?
If so, as it obviously won’t pass, what benefit to Iceland would that have been?
Well, Like I have said it before; unfortunatelly they WILL accept it, there is not one with b@lls.
Easy, calm the jets. The Althingi has to pass this counter offer that fall guy Steingrímur J is signing.
Of course Jóhanna and he is doing this the wrong way around * again * — instead of getting consensus from Althingi or simply just realizing that it will simply be impossible to get any changes made ( I think Jóhanna really is living in some fantasy world of her own ) they make this public annoucements to world first.
Clearly this is what did get Ögmundur Jónasson resign as minister of health as he knew Jóhanna was going to do it .. again.. like poor imitation of Britney Spears song.
It is simply a last desperate attempt to ram rod somehthing parliament and majority of people of Iceland do not want in a way that put the blame on Althingi when time run out on Oct 23rd.
The Althing did make the law and ammendment of August a take it or leave it proposition after very much negotiations and consensus building. And if Jóhanna and her advisor did not realize it was this way of ” this is how it will be ” they are delusional.
If ( as suspect ) they do know it — I do not believe Social Democrat opportunists are all dissconnected from reality of countrymen as Jóhanna is — then it is simply for dirty political reason.
To try and divert blame for this whole shameful ” negotiations ” and how it has made humiliation for Icelandic nation as whole from this spine less negotatiors and EU at any cost idea that only Social Democrats want.
>Or they (i mean Johanna and Steingrimur)have literally accepted it without passing it to Alþingi?
From above:
“The Icelandic government has decided that Mr. Sigfusson will sign the proposal on behalf of Iceland and that it will then be put in front of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, as soon as possible.”
Just one question, can somenody explain to me what exactly did they sign today?
how can they close the icesave deal with “new”(the original contract acctually) amandments without passing it through Alþingi?
or, are they signing a new deal, and still has to be accepted by Alþingi?
I’m honestly getting cofused now, with exactly what is it that happened today, has icesave been officially accepted or still has to be ratify by Alþingi? Or they (i mean Johanna and Steingrimur)have literally accepted it without passing it to Alþingi?
“they are doing all this deal without passing it through Alþingi”
No, Althingi has yet to vote on it.
One more thing, they used Alþingi as toilet paper, and toss it to a trash can, becuse they are doing all this deal without passing it through Alþingi.
Iceland: “We want to have the right to take it to a court later if we want”
UK: OK, you can take it to a court BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY the full amount no matter what the court says.
Iceland: “YESSS, we are Icelanders, pure viking blood we got what we wanted, we can take it to a court”
Easy:
WHATT?.. don’t you see that it means acctually that you can not take it to a court, because it MAKES NO SENSE TO DO IT, we have to pay anyways, why? because thats what we signed.
Iceland: “WE DON’T WANT TO GARANTEE THE LOAN AFTER 2024”
UK: “Yes, you will”
Iceland: OK, we will, we are Icelanders, pure viking blood we didn’t say we wanted to stop paying after 2024, we said we wanted to have the right to take it to court, so maybe after 2024 we didn’t have to pay if a court ruled in our favor, (irony)but since we can take it to a court now, but no mater what the court says we still have to pay….. so it makes no sense to have this 2024 date and everybody happy.
Easy: WAHATTT? (again) Don’t you see that you didn’t get anything out of this “negotiations” dont you see that you were put on your knees, mmhh…, more like on four(dogy style)
The rest of the world: “Poor Idiots”.
So this is the outcome of the negotiations:
The Icelandic goberment made an original agreement with the UK/Dutch last June, then they amanded it to sound more appealing to the icelandic public, and then they amanded it back to the original agreemant so the UK/Dutch would accept it back.
@Jim:
This “amended” deal as they want to call it, is exactly as the ORIGINAL deal, the icelandic “negotiators” came back with last May and was signed on the 6th of June, just a little word playing but the brits and dutch got exactly what they DEMANDED from the begining, there was no negotiation here, there was a lot of crying and begging fron Iceland’s part but ther was never a negotiation, at the end Iceland ended up accepting absolute everything, like a well trained dog. I really wonder how blind and dumb people be, sometimes i belibe that pride is so big that people decide not to see reallity in an effort to hold to a little dignity, let me tell you there is none left.
I hope you people will be fine in Iceland.
I know it could happen to many countries coming years, it’s far from solved, and the derivatives, the cause of everything are even boosted higher.
The UK or US economies in particular basicly have no intrinsic value, production / manufacturing in relation to the moneysupply.( all money created out of thin air, issued by Central Banks)
And most countries have this, one worse than the other, because of this rotten system of deregulation and privatization. Goverment functions and even healthcare get privatised everywhere,leading to higher costs, lower quality and no competition, the US healthcare system is the best example of that. Politicians are paid by lobbygroups to either boost healthcare budgets or allow private companies to have a larger share, larger piece of the pie. Or these politicians will go work for these companies later. In the US the Glass Steagle Act was repleaed in 1999, that all lead to what’s been and is happening. In 1982 derivatives where not longer forbidden. FDR regulated those back in the days. It lead to increase of paper value and wealth, but basicly false wealth wich is not representative of the real economy beneath it, your country is a victim of it. But what happens in Iceland, is simply what is going on everywhere.
The US Dollar won’t hold either, all affords are delays. Look who surrounds president Obama, all the same people that pushed for deregulation, privatization, the very people that caused it to happen. Cause all that paper on paper value lead to a casino….a piramyd game.
Like Madoff, but Madoff could never do it alone, the whole financial system as it exists is basicly one massive Ponzi scheme.
I only hope that you all there in Iceland will have a bright future and that you all stay warm and alright. I’m affraid that many of the highgly skilled workforce you have there will move to Norway and other places, understandable, but bad for your country.
Now you all pay the price as people for what is not your responsibility. Ofcouse, everybody joined in the game, but ordinary people don’t understand and you cannot expect them to do the complexity of derivatives etc.Banska nd bansk and try to make money,they are greedy, but greed is human nature, that’s why you NEED regulation in a free market/ capitalistic economy. So if certain people than end sucha regulations, you get indeed a boom for a while, but unsustainable.
Central Banks and watchdogs are responsible to regulate that human nature of greed. They are controlling the moneysupply of every country and see if a currency gets inflated too much or not, so they didn’t do their work. Simular here in the Netherlands, we have just a small bank going bankrupt today:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/dsb_bank_boss_we_were_destroye.php
Luckily this is a small bank for us, but maybe it will be ING or Rabobank in the future, then we end up like you folkes in Iceland. I hope not.
Oh and keep united as family and people there, if you stay together and will oppose certain things, you will be in control.
Further, the Federal Reserve in Dallas, Texas of the US released this speech and there you saw $99 trillion on longterm liabilities for the US, so that’s 6 times their GDP ( total income)
Richard W. Fisher
Storms on the Horizon
Remarks before the Commonwealth Club of California
San Francisco, California
May 28, 2008
http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2008/fs080528.cfm
Quote:
Add together the unfunded liabilities from Medicare and Social Security, and it comes to $99.2 trillion over the infinite horizon. Traditional Medicare composes about 69 percent, the new drug benefit roughly 17 percent and Social Security the remaining 14 percent.
End Quote.
So,it’s that the Dollar is World reserve currency, they still can do tricks with currency swaps, but it’s the same thing thats was going on in Iceland.
I would say Canada and especially Norway are the most relativly stable countries right now.
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As I said, it’s not really about the EU. Join if you want or, as is very likely, don’t.
However, the EEA is a very different affair. I suspect that Iceland without the EEA would lose more than 6% or growth of GDP. Any “uprising” will put a great deal of strain on the EEA membership.
As with all things though, you’re a sovereign country and therefore an adult, so you can do what you want.
“Jim and Axel, yesterday, very against this, today very happy with Johanna’s decition”
Easy – I think you’re getting confused. Yesterday, I said that there’s was no chance the ORIGINAL agreement would be presented to Althingi and ratified. Today, I said that this AMENDED agreement looks like a reasonable compromise – and respect to Iceland’s PM for negotiating the changes. There’s no inconsistency.
Iceland’s sovereignity will be destroyed.
The social Democrats sold you out at any price to enter the EU, wich is in nobody’s interrest in Iceland.
Now you have IMF austerity, pushed by the British and Dutch goverments. This is a very bad deal, even worse then some third World countries made.’
Be aware Icelanders, the British and Dutch people don’t understand waht’s going on, it’s mainly propaganda on tv and in the news, to present this situation differently. We the people of the UK and Netherlands are not your enemies. The enemies are the private bankers and paid off or sold out goverments for the destruction of the nation state at the expense of globalization at any costs.
This is basicly simular as any bailout on Wallstreet: losses and debts are beign nationalised ( so you the taxpayer pays for it) while profits are privatised. Nice game eh?
Aslong nobody sees this, we have a problem, cause there are hundreds of trillions fo financial derivatives haning above the heads of many nations and other nations can follow Iceland.
Only A Debt Moratorium Can Save Iceland
By Webster Griffin Tarpley, PhD
9-30-9
http://rense.com/general87/nly.htm
( Balkenende is the Dutch PM)
[color=#0000FF]Webster Tarpley reports from Reykjavík:[/color]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reykjav%C3%ADk
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@Mike:
No way thats gonna happen, just look at for example Jim and Axel, yesterday, very against this, today very happy with Johanna’s decition.
Everybody will just convince themselves that tis is ok, in their defence, its a cultural thing in Iceland, everybody will just bend over buy some butter(wont be money for lub) and pretend they like it, some will acvctually learn to like it.
Yeah great, lets agree on icesave so we can get in bed with the EU who kicks iceland while lying down already. This is a joke at best.
My only hope now is that we make an uprise here in iceland, stop paying our bills, and let Johanna see that what she did was WRONG.
It is about choices and repercussions.
Iceland can be a member of the EEA and possibley the EEC….or not.
The Icelandic economy is effectively bankrupt…..a zombie economy in many respects, waiting for a lazarus moment. The lazarus moment requires a cash infusion, a clensing of the bank system and a reordering of the economic set up (Bank earnings may be flat for the forseable future). Icesave starts that process.
As we can see – these are really rotten carrots. And that’s why EU/IMF/EEA and other m****f**** are in hurry to “close the case”, Bromley. Cause they KNOW that. And they don’t want the case to be looked into by public.
>We get shafted by EU countries all because Johanna wants to become a member.
Not so. You get shafted by the EU countries because everyone who counts in Iceland wants to be a member of the EEA. That is unlikely to change, even if Iceland become more introverted as a result of this.
The EU stick was a very small one compared to the IMF one. Likewise, the EEA carrot was much larger than the EU one.
“You change your muds very quick, just yesterday you were saying that Brown met his match with Johanna, and now that ’s clear that Johanna tookit not even with enough lobe for the hole nation, you cheer her, what a selloff!!!”
If she also gets Althingi to ratify the agreement, then respect to her. Lube or no lube.
They’ve negotiated nothing.
They could have sent a baby to the negotiations and it would have turned out better.
What an absolute joke this government is.The unfortunate thing is that there are no viable alternatives!
We get shafted by EU countries all because Johanna wants to become a member.
I’m not staying to be part of this.
Bye.
One thing is clear, this is the most humiliating thing I have ever seen in my life, few nations in the world have been so openly and infront of the hole world humiliated. The hole world will either pitty us or laugh at us for sure.
@Jim:
“There’s no chance that Althingi MPs will be given the opportunity to ratify the original agreement again. And no chance that a majority of MPs would actually ratify it. There’s a greater chance of Gordon Brown tossing his caber with Johanna Sigurdardottir”
You change your muds very quick, just yesterday you were saying that Brown met his match with Johanna, and now that ‘s clear that Johanna tookit not even with enough lobe for the hole nation, you cheer her, what a selloff!!!
Forget Obama… Johanna should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for successfully negotiating this.
Johanna and her company should leave parliament and stop being ***holes of Holland and the UK.
Trying to get to the EU so because of this she will ruin whole country.
I hate politics what are like Johanna,Ossur and their friends.
Listen to nation because next election you will be not voted!!!