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		<title>By: Albert Sparks</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-548311</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debts of any description give cause for drastic measures. It is positive to read that some of the small nations are taking steps to forge forward and adopt positive and lasting changes for the future economy and health of its country.</description>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-129436</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graafland still thinking about Icelandic energy.

http://csrwiretalkback.tumblr.com/post/455149845/the-win-win-plan-for-iceland-britain-and-the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graafland still thinking about Icelandic energy.</p>
<p><a href="http://csrwiretalkback.tumblr.com/post/455149845/the-win-win-plan-for-iceland-britain-and-the" rel="nofollow">http://csrwiretalkback.tumblr.com/post/455149845/the-win-win-plan-for-iceland-britain-and-the</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eco Periodicals &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could Geothermal Energy Save Iceland’s Economy?</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-127787</link>
		<dc:creator>Eco Periodicals &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could Geothermal Energy Save Iceland’s Economy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently came one big step closer to making the innovative “Energy for Debt” plan a reality, when the country’s voters rejected a referendum to pay back debt incurred by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Valentine</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-110412</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many advances occuring in the world of UHV-DC power transmission as well as in the manufacture of undersea power cables. Over the long-term future, there will be potential to connect a newer generation undersea power cable between Iceland and the east coast of Canada. During the overnight hours (11:00Pm to 6:00AM) when there is excess generating capacity in Eastern Canada, electric power could flow from Eastern Canada to Iceland and to European markets that will be at the start of the peak AM demand for electric power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many advances occuring in the world of UHV-DC power transmission as well as in the manufacture of undersea power cables. Over the long-term future, there will be potential to connect a newer generation undersea power cable between Iceland and the east coast of Canada. During the overnight hours (11:00Pm to 6:00AM) when there is excess generating capacity in Eastern Canada, electric power could flow from Eastern Canada to Iceland and to European markets that will be at the start of the peak AM demand for electric power.</p>
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		<title>By: Giova Bocca</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-110041</link>
		<dc:creator>Giova Bocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gijs - Planck Foundation:

Your three team members are correct, affairs in Iceland are too much up in the air for immediate decision-making, or choosing among ideas for development directions.  However, you have done well to introduce your Foundation now.  As Axel&#039;s links to examples of Icelandic energy development projects show, Icelandic companies were at the forefront in many technological areas when the political/financial crisis disrupted the economy and threw all into hiatus.  As yourselves and they both work to develop technological solutions on global scale, and in areas of innovative energy use and development, once the current situation is resolved, so Icelandic companies may turn their attentions again to planning and projecting and innovating, and will again have access to financing for their plans and projects, your Foundation scientists and they should be able to build mutually valuable partnerships from which you both should be able to develop new innovations and solutions, which, when and where you are able to implement them you will, together, be able to provide many different peoples in many different places in the global world opportunities to develop new energy solutions.  Ones that will serve their purposes and your and your partners&#039; purposes, and the global world&#039;s purposes as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gijs &#8211; Planck Foundation:</p>
<p>Your three team members are correct, affairs in Iceland are too much up in the air for immediate decision-making, or choosing among ideas for development directions.  However, you have done well to introduce your Foundation now.  As Axel&#8217;s links to examples of Icelandic energy development projects show, Icelandic companies were at the forefront in many technological areas when the political/financial crisis disrupted the economy and threw all into hiatus.  As yourselves and they both work to develop technological solutions on global scale, and in areas of innovative energy use and development, once the current situation is resolved, so Icelandic companies may turn their attentions again to planning and projecting and innovating, and will again have access to financing for their plans and projects, your Foundation scientists and they should be able to build mutually valuable partnerships from which you both should be able to develop new innovations and solutions, which, when and where you are able to implement them you will, together, be able to provide many different peoples in many different places in the global world opportunities to develop new energy solutions.  Ones that will serve their purposes and your and your partners&#8217; purposes, and the global world&#8217;s purposes as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-110020</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said 
&quot;This would be a good idea if its possible&quot;

meaning its a good idea to sell energy to Europe,
if it is not too expensive and the right people are involved in doing this.

@ Giova Bocca 

Thanks for a very useful post, it clarified a few things i have been thinking about lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said<br />
&#8220;This would be a good idea if its possible&#8221;</p>
<p>meaning its a good idea to sell energy to Europe,<br />
if it is not too expensive and the right people are involved in doing this.</p>
<p>@ Giova Bocca </p>
<p>Thanks for a very useful post, it clarified a few things i have been thinking about lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-109971</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a good idea if its possible, 

Icelandic companies are building geo-thermal energy stations in many countries, new deep drilling technology can increase power output of existing holes 5-10 fold, 

http://www.iceland-drilling.com/?pageid=349

Some information about one of our power company’s
http://www.landsvirkjun.com/operations/power-stations/

How we convert Co2 into fuel, like Ethanol or Bio-Diesel for example using new technology.
http://www.carbonrecycling.is/index.html

A factory is being built at Svartsengi geo-thermal power plant, it will generate 4m liters of fuel the first year from Co2.
http://www.mannvit.com/AboutUs/News/Readarticle/1588

2012.is New beginning.
http://2012.is/index.php?option=com_frontpage&amp;msl=english&amp;Itemid=61</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a good idea if its possible, </p>
<p>Icelandic companies are building geo-thermal energy stations in many countries, new deep drilling technology can increase power output of existing holes 5-10 fold, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iceland-drilling.com/?pageid=349" rel="nofollow">http://www.iceland-drilling.com/?pageid=349</a></p>
<p>Some information about one of our power company’s<br />
<a href="http://www.landsvirkjun.com/operations/power-stations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.landsvirkjun.com/operations/power-stations/</a></p>
<p>How we convert Co2 into fuel, like Ethanol or Bio-Diesel for example using new technology.<br />
<a href="http://www.carbonrecycling.is/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonrecycling.is/index.html</a></p>
<p>A factory is being built at Svartsengi geo-thermal power plant, it will generate 4m liters of fuel the first year from Co2.<br />
<a href="http://www.mannvit.com/AboutUs/News/Readarticle/1588" rel="nofollow">http://www.mannvit.com/AboutUs/News/Readarticle/1588</a></p>
<p>2012.is New beginning.<br />
<a href="http://2012.is/index.php?option=com_frontpage&#038;msl=english&#038;Itemid=61" rel="nofollow">http://2012.is/index.php?option=com_frontpage&#038;msl=english&#038;Itemid=61</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gijs - Planck Foundation</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/09/energy-for-debts-a-potential-solution-for-iceland/#comment-109956</link>
		<dc:creator>Gijs - Planck Foundation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear IceNews readers, I think our efforts deserves a little more credit than expressed above. We have designed a common accepted good solution for Iceland, the UK and Holland, have steered a vital discussion in the right (ie common interest) way, lobbied for it to the IMF, the Worldbank, the Althingi (Icelandic Parliament), the parliament in Holland, the parliament in the UK, the EU parliament, the current Administrations of all three nations, as well the global financial media. In the background we&#039;ve also addressed the polarization in this case, both international (IS/UK/NL/EU/IMF) and national (in the three nations). Reading the distrust as formulated above is not fair in relation to our efforts in this case. Who are we? We&#039;re just a group of independent working scientists in the field of energy and/on finance. Our strategy analyses and advices are appreciated good around the globe (see http://www.planck.org). Further information about our economic models are openly accessible in our publications. What&#039;s our motivation? We have been working as well paid corporate and governmental analysts and advisers for almost two decades, some of our reports can be found on the Internet, most of them have been custom made and therefore used in internal processes. We have build a track record in strategic analyses and advices, both for corporations and governments.  We&#039;re now in a position that we can devote large parts of the our time to contribute substantial to the global energy transition process, which in our perspective is crucial for prosperity for the northern hemisphere. Our first step in that direction as scientists was of course research. After that we&#039;ve taken the next step: creating standard models that could be used everywhere. This is the story behind our plan B for Iceland (Energy for Debt). So it&#039;s not a conspiracy to rob Iceland of its resources (the geothermal resources of Iceland are unlimited, exploring them and delivering them to the world market, that are the issues that need to be addressed), nor about offering fake solutions (our solution is of -very?- good quality. Read our publications and read what other not stupid people have said or written about us. I hope our model will be accepted by the three Administrations and the IMF. Market driven energy finance is something we have researched a lot. Our energy finance models are capable of delivering the quantity of projects that are needed to revitalize the Icelandic economy. Dig into our energy finance models. Let&#039;s discuss the right (ie effective working) energy finance models. That&#039;s what Iceland needs for realizing a strong and divers economy that will survive the 21st century with its energy deficits that threat the prosperity we&#039;ve as Europe (not complete without Iceland) build in the 20th century. If you have some time visit http://www.planck.org or http://www.openfoun.org. Let&#039;s do a model need and model facet discussion. Read the energy finance models of us and of other research units. Regarding the above comments: Marc Schneiders is a very high skilled DNS specialist who has been involved in both the ICANN and several open root DNS initiatives. He has done within Planck Foundation several very good redundant DNS configuration designs for banks, telcos and governmental organizations. Busy people don&#039;t maintain their CV very good: there is no reason for them to do so. Regarding the cheap parallel between our models and the &#039;oil for food&#039; program: Everybody who has read our publications knows that we&#039;re strong defenders of open models. The &#039;food for oil&#039; model wasn&#039;t, and thereby it got all the problems attached to closed models (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme). Our models are open. Open in technological design so that the geothermal and transport technologies advance very fast. Open in licences/concessions model. This open concession model prevents that the geothermal resources of Iceland will be explored by just one giant company, with all the problems attached to that (so no single operator based design). Open in transport model by which even for small energy generating companies can export their generated power (kWh or hydrogen) easy and cheap to the european mainland (so no single operator based design). Open in finance design, so that every business can use it and has access to. (so no single operator based design).The cornerstone of our finance model and attached platform is that the investors get paid back in kWh and not in any currency (USD or Euro). For long term investors like pension funds a ROI in kWh is very attractive. Our energy finance model delivers them for free a hedge (insurance) against inflation (as currencies will decline in value a lot the next decades) and also for free a capital growth model (as energy will increase in value a lot the next decades). If anybody has the opinion that Iceland should not explore its geothermal resources and stick to fish export (currently 70% of the exports): just start a petition, recent history has shown that this is very effective. But please don&#039;t criticize solutions before researching them. Three of our current Iceland Team members has resigned based on above opinions (“let these people do there own laundry”, “this nation is totally mixed up in emotions” and “better things to do, than investing time in a nation which is political boiling right now”, were the reasons they give me). Everybody has to decide for themselves if Iceland should explore its unlimited geothermal opportunities. And if, the way it should be done. And yes, we&#039;ve a head start in this. Not granted by anyone, but just earned by long research and development. A head start we want to share with everybody involved, as we&#039;re supporters of open intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear IceNews readers, I think our efforts deserves a little more credit than expressed above. We have designed a common accepted good solution for Iceland, the UK and Holland, have steered a vital discussion in the right (ie common interest) way, lobbied for it to the IMF, the Worldbank, the Althingi (Icelandic Parliament), the parliament in Holland, the parliament in the UK, the EU parliament, the current Administrations of all three nations, as well the global financial media. In the background we&#8217;ve also addressed the polarization in this case, both international (IS/UK/NL/EU/IMF) and national (in the three nations). Reading the distrust as formulated above is not fair in relation to our efforts in this case. Who are we? We&#8217;re just a group of independent working scientists in the field of energy and/on finance. Our strategy analyses and advices are appreciated good around the globe (see <a href="http://www.planck.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.planck.org</a>). Further information about our economic models are openly accessible in our publications. What&#8217;s our motivation? We have been working as well paid corporate and governmental analysts and advisers for almost two decades, some of our reports can be found on the Internet, most of them have been custom made and therefore used in internal processes. We have build a track record in strategic analyses and advices, both for corporations and governments.  We&#8217;re now in a position that we can devote large parts of the our time to contribute substantial to the global energy transition process, which in our perspective is crucial for prosperity for the northern hemisphere. Our first step in that direction as scientists was of course research. After that we&#8217;ve taken the next step: creating standard models that could be used everywhere. This is the story behind our plan B for Iceland (Energy for Debt). So it&#8217;s not a conspiracy to rob Iceland of its resources (the geothermal resources of Iceland are unlimited, exploring them and delivering them to the world market, that are the issues that need to be addressed), nor about offering fake solutions (our solution is of -very?- good quality. Read our publications and read what other not stupid people have said or written about us. I hope our model will be accepted by the three Administrations and the IMF. Market driven energy finance is something we have researched a lot. Our energy finance models are capable of delivering the quantity of projects that are needed to revitalize the Icelandic economy. Dig into our energy finance models. Let&#8217;s discuss the right (ie effective working) energy finance models. That&#8217;s what Iceland needs for realizing a strong and divers economy that will survive the 21st century with its energy deficits that threat the prosperity we&#8217;ve as Europe (not complete without Iceland) build in the 20th century. If you have some time visit <a href="http://www.planck.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.planck.org</a> or <a href="http://www.openfoun.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openfoun.org</a>. Let&#8217;s do a model need and model facet discussion. Read the energy finance models of us and of other research units. Regarding the above comments: Marc Schneiders is a very high skilled DNS specialist who has been involved in both the ICANN and several open root DNS initiatives. He has done within Planck Foundation several very good redundant DNS configuration designs for banks, telcos and governmental organizations. Busy people don&#8217;t maintain their CV very good: there is no reason for them to do so. Regarding the cheap parallel between our models and the &#8216;oil for food&#8217; program: Everybody who has read our publications knows that we&#8217;re strong defenders of open models. The &#8216;food for oil&#8217; model wasn&#8217;t, and thereby it got all the problems attached to closed models (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme</a>). Our models are open. Open in technological design so that the geothermal and transport technologies advance very fast. Open in licences/concessions model. This open concession model prevents that the geothermal resources of Iceland will be explored by just one giant company, with all the problems attached to that (so no single operator based design). Open in transport model by which even for small energy generating companies can export their generated power (kWh or hydrogen) easy and cheap to the european mainland (so no single operator based design). Open in finance design, so that every business can use it and has access to. (so no single operator based design).The cornerstone of our finance model and attached platform is that the investors get paid back in kWh and not in any currency (USD or Euro). For long term investors like pension funds a ROI in kWh is very attractive. Our energy finance model delivers them for free a hedge (insurance) against inflation (as currencies will decline in value a lot the next decades) and also for free a capital growth model (as energy will increase in value a lot the next decades). If anybody has the opinion that Iceland should not explore its geothermal resources and stick to fish export (currently 70% of the exports): just start a petition, recent history has shown that this is very effective. But please don&#8217;t criticize solutions before researching them. Three of our current Iceland Team members has resigned based on above opinions (“let these people do there own laundry”, “this nation is totally mixed up in emotions” and “better things to do, than investing time in a nation which is political boiling right now”, were the reasons they give me). Everybody has to decide for themselves if Iceland should explore its unlimited geothermal opportunities. And if, the way it should be done. And yes, we&#8217;ve a head start in this. Not granted by anyone, but just earned by long research and development. A head start we want to share with everybody involved, as we&#8217;re supporters of open intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Giova Bocca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giova Bocca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

There are two ways to count banks&#039; assets.  One is to count money out in loans, mortgages, etc., which is &quot;unsecured&quot; value, even though the assets loaned against may be assigned collateral value, along with the value of owned securities, reserves, etc., which are usually also investments, but are considered certainly valued at market prices.  The other way is the way you indicate you count, that the collateral assets&#039; and investment assets&#039; values are not the banks&#039; even though they back the loans.  This way of accounting counts the banks loaned money to belong to the borrowers, not the banks.  By this method the only assets the banks have are in their reserve accounts.  Everything else is &quot;owned&quot; by others.  This is the way the UK has been counting the Icelandic banks&#039; assets.  In the beginning this gave an appearance that all the money the banks had out at loan was simply gone.  As propagandists spun it, carried away by owners of football teams, High Street shops and others who held loans.  Relatively little was in the banks reserves, which the Brit government shut the banks down for having too little in anyway.  The money in the reserves the British government took into exchequer holding accounts.  The loan papers it took into receiver custody.  Iceland has had neither the loan papers nor the cash and reserve assets.  Britain has been holding both as collateral against repayment to depositors.

Since then, as the borrowers football team owners, High Street merchants and most all others have continued to make payments the loaned out moneys, with interest, have been rolling back in.  They have not gone to Iceland, they have gone into the Exchequer holding accounts.  There that money sits, adding up more as payments are made, but collecting no interest, because the UK government does not pay interest on it, though it is able to count the money as reserves and use it, since it &quot;paid off&quot; depositors.  Paid off is in quotes because while small depositors were paid off, ones with accounts over the limit got only the limit, and off-shore depositors, e.g.,Isle of Man residents, have received nothing of what the UK holds, and uses.  

Today, as you note, which you learned from your recent reading, the amount of repayment resting in the UK Exchequer, with the value added that the interim of steady repayments on the blanks&#039; loans, instead of foreclosures, indicate the banks&#039; loan portfolios to hold adds to about 90% of what Iceland is said to owe.  This is with no banking by those banks since their being put into receivership.  The banks are stagnant but earning.  This indicates very good banking practices, meaning conservative lending, by the banks before they were closed by Britain.  The indications are that if the present wrangling continues another year the banks&#039; assets will likely be worth more than Iceland owes, even with the banks continuing stagnant.  Note that selling the banks assets at auction would not bring the 90% as asset auctions are not like sale negotiations, so the wise thing would be to operate the banks as banks, which would recover the depositors&#039; assets, that being what the banks were in the business of doing before they were put in receivership.

Note that Iceland does not have access to the loan paper Britain holds for security, or to the deposits from loan repayments in the British Exchequer.  Those are held by Britain.  When Britain collapsed the Icelandic banks, in Iceland, by putting their British branches into receivership those Icelandic banks in Iceland did not have access to the branch funds Britain used the Terror law to claim and hold from Iceland.  Thus, when the Icelandic banks in Iceland collapsed the only money Iceland had to reimburse depositors was what was in Iceland.  You will hear some slow-minded in Britain grumping that Iceland looked out for Icelandic but not Brit depositors.  When you do you may point out to them that the bank funds to repay the Brit depositors were not available to Iceland to repay to Brit depositors because the Brit government had them sequestered, through putting the banks to the receivers and through claiming all money and assets under terror legislation.  For that terror legislation application other European Union nations were not even sure they could cash cheques for Icelanders without violating inter-Union-member cooperation agreements, let alone loan money to the sudden North Atlantic Ally to Osama bin Laden...

Gilgamesh,

A couple of things:  One, there are more Plancks that only Max Planck.  Two, don&#039;t take such writings as the Planck Foundation letter too much to heart.  The Planck Foundation people are business people.  What they write is always for business purpose.  It is never personal.  If you say &quot;No.&quot; they say, &quot;OK, let&#039;s try this, instead...&quot;  That is what the letter says.  The letter is really a very good example of a business try, fail, back up, try again with another tack.  Read it for fun, it is really nicely done and very enjoyable reading.  If you jump up and down and scream and swear those the letter comes from will wait to see what you collapse to willing to accept when you are finished.  If you laugh and say, &quot;Good job, but no, we aren&#039;t ready to jump on your waggon.&quot; they will say, &quot;Well, then, what would you rather?  Make an offer to us.&quot;  This is the way business is done.  you try, you are rebuffed, you try another angle.  It is like swimming in the sea, if you go with the flow, use the currents and waves, you can have a lot of fun.  If you panic and fight water and waves you will exhaust yourself, inhale water and drown.  Iceland panicked to begin, but has a second chance now and if it relaxes, takes it easy and enjoys the bi-play it can do well.  In fact, the longer the negotiating, the more the Icelandic banks&#039; sequestered assets will increase in value, so the longer Iceland dawdles in negotiations the less it will owe when all is finally signed.  This will be especially true if some of the events that should go to court go into court:  Britain, especially, will want to negotiate withdrawals of those to be part of settlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>There are two ways to count banks&#8217; assets.  One is to count money out in loans, mortgages, etc., which is &#8220;unsecured&#8221; value, even though the assets loaned against may be assigned collateral value, along with the value of owned securities, reserves, etc., which are usually also investments, but are considered certainly valued at market prices.  The other way is the way you indicate you count, that the collateral assets&#8217; and investment assets&#8217; values are not the banks&#8217; even though they back the loans.  This way of accounting counts the banks loaned money to belong to the borrowers, not the banks.  By this method the only assets the banks have are in their reserve accounts.  Everything else is &#8220;owned&#8221; by others.  This is the way the UK has been counting the Icelandic banks&#8217; assets.  In the beginning this gave an appearance that all the money the banks had out at loan was simply gone.  As propagandists spun it, carried away by owners of football teams, High Street shops and others who held loans.  Relatively little was in the banks reserves, which the Brit government shut the banks down for having too little in anyway.  The money in the reserves the British government took into exchequer holding accounts.  The loan papers it took into receiver custody.  Iceland has had neither the loan papers nor the cash and reserve assets.  Britain has been holding both as collateral against repayment to depositors.</p>
<p>Since then, as the borrowers football team owners, High Street merchants and most all others have continued to make payments the loaned out moneys, with interest, have been rolling back in.  They have not gone to Iceland, they have gone into the Exchequer holding accounts.  There that money sits, adding up more as payments are made, but collecting no interest, because the UK government does not pay interest on it, though it is able to count the money as reserves and use it, since it &#8220;paid off&#8221; depositors.  Paid off is in quotes because while small depositors were paid off, ones with accounts over the limit got only the limit, and off-shore depositors, e.g.,Isle of Man residents, have received nothing of what the UK holds, and uses.  </p>
<p>Today, as you note, which you learned from your recent reading, the amount of repayment resting in the UK Exchequer, with the value added that the interim of steady repayments on the blanks&#8217; loans, instead of foreclosures, indicate the banks&#8217; loan portfolios to hold adds to about 90% of what Iceland is said to owe.  This is with no banking by those banks since their being put into receivership.  The banks are stagnant but earning.  This indicates very good banking practices, meaning conservative lending, by the banks before they were closed by Britain.  The indications are that if the present wrangling continues another year the banks&#8217; assets will likely be worth more than Iceland owes, even with the banks continuing stagnant.  Note that selling the banks assets at auction would not bring the 90% as asset auctions are not like sale negotiations, so the wise thing would be to operate the banks as banks, which would recover the depositors&#8217; assets, that being what the banks were in the business of doing before they were put in receivership.</p>
<p>Note that Iceland does not have access to the loan paper Britain holds for security, or to the deposits from loan repayments in the British Exchequer.  Those are held by Britain.  When Britain collapsed the Icelandic banks, in Iceland, by putting their British branches into receivership those Icelandic banks in Iceland did not have access to the branch funds Britain used the Terror law to claim and hold from Iceland.  Thus, when the Icelandic banks in Iceland collapsed the only money Iceland had to reimburse depositors was what was in Iceland.  You will hear some slow-minded in Britain grumping that Iceland looked out for Icelandic but not Brit depositors.  When you do you may point out to them that the bank funds to repay the Brit depositors were not available to Iceland to repay to Brit depositors because the Brit government had them sequestered, through putting the banks to the receivers and through claiming all money and assets under terror legislation.  For that terror legislation application other European Union nations were not even sure they could cash cheques for Icelanders without violating inter-Union-member cooperation agreements, let alone loan money to the sudden North Atlantic Ally to Osama bin Laden&#8230;</p>
<p>Gilgamesh,</p>
<p>A couple of things:  One, there are more Plancks that only Max Planck.  Two, don&#8217;t take such writings as the Planck Foundation letter too much to heart.  The Planck Foundation people are business people.  What they write is always for business purpose.  It is never personal.  If you say &#8220;No.&#8221; they say, &#8220;OK, let&#8217;s try this, instead&#8230;&#8221;  That is what the letter says.  The letter is really a very good example of a business try, fail, back up, try again with another tack.  Read it for fun, it is really nicely done and very enjoyable reading.  If you jump up and down and scream and swear those the letter comes from will wait to see what you collapse to willing to accept when you are finished.  If you laugh and say, &#8220;Good job, but no, we aren&#8217;t ready to jump on your waggon.&#8221; they will say, &#8220;Well, then, what would you rather?  Make an offer to us.&#8221;  This is the way business is done.  you try, you are rebuffed, you try another angle.  It is like swimming in the sea, if you go with the flow, use the currents and waves, you can have a lot of fun.  If you panic and fight water and waves you will exhaust yourself, inhale water and drown.  Iceland panicked to begin, but has a second chance now and if it relaxes, takes it easy and enjoys the bi-play it can do well.  In fact, the longer the negotiating, the more the Icelandic banks&#8217; sequestered assets will increase in value, so the longer Iceland dawdles in negotiations the less it will owe when all is finally signed.  This will be especially true if some of the events that should go to court go into court:  Britain, especially, will want to negotiate withdrawals of those to be part of settlement.</p>
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		<title>By: densou</title>
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		<dc:creator>densou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s remind who had only benefits from &quot;Oil for Food&quot; program... ^^

An extra debt of EUR 12,000 per capita ?

lol, Italian debt per capita have just reached EUR 30,000 and it have always been over EUR 20,000 for ages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s remind who had only benefits from &#8220;Oil for Food&#8221; program&#8230; ^^</p>
<p>An extra debt of EUR 12,000 per capita ?</p>
<p>lol, Italian debt per capita have just reached EUR 30,000 and it have always been over EUR 20,000 for ages.</p>
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