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		<title>By: Jim - USSA</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-546460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim - USSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best plan is a DEBT MORATORIUM! Under NO circumstances should a government or nation allow the destruction of civilization to satisfy fraudulent paper! Don’t even begin to legitimize this fraud against Iceland by negotiating settlement of this debt.

Iceland was set up for this by the creation of toxic derivatives by U.K. and Netherlands banks and sold to Icesave for the explicit purpose of hostile takeover. Let the Queens eat cake! Better yet, let them eat derivatives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best plan is a DEBT MORATORIUM! Under NO circumstances should a government or nation allow the destruction of civilization to satisfy fraudulent paper! Don’t even begin to legitimize this fraud against Iceland by negotiating settlement of this debt.</p>
<p>Iceland was set up for this by the creation of toxic derivatives by U.K. and Netherlands banks and sold to Icesave for the explicit purpose of hostile takeover. Let the Queens eat cake! Better yet, let them eat derivatives!</p>
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		<title>By: Fisy</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-109146</link>
		<dc:creator>Fisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bjarni did write in reply to Suzanne :
&gt;In any case, you have my deepest sympathy for your suffering, and I hope in the end you will be able to recover most of your savings.

And I also would like to give my condolences  -- you and Landsbanki Guernsey short and longer term depositer were most unfairily of all hit in my opinion in this whole post October 8th 2008 horror.

The time line of this that was taken advantage of by UK Treasury in case of KSF IOM is this :
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/11/23/kaupthing-employee-accused-of-stealing-millions/#comment-102924

( It is good that at least you now are getting back some of the money that was taken and is in the bank accounts in UK of the taken by Darling and Brown Kauthpgin Singer and Friedlander. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bjarni did write in reply to Suzanne :<br />
&gt;In any case, you have my deepest sympathy for your suffering, and I hope in the end you will be able to recover most of your savings.</p>
<p>And I also would like to give my condolences  &#8212; you and Landsbanki Guernsey short and longer term depositer were most unfairily of all hit in my opinion in this whole post October 8th 2008 horror.</p>
<p>The time line of this that was taken advantage of by UK Treasury in case of KSF IOM is this :<br />
<a href="http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/11/23/kaupthing-employee-accused-of-stealing-millions/#comment-102924" rel="nofollow">http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/11/23/kaupthing-employee-accused-of-stealing-millions/#comment-102924</a></p>
<p>( It is good that at least you now are getting back some of the money that was taken and is in the bank accounts in UK of the taken by Darling and Brown Kauthpgin Singer and Friedlander. )</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarni</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108348</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Suzanne:

A lot more people, than just Kaupthing shareholders lost significant part (or all) of their savings in Iceland.  But I do not think it serves any purpose trying to debate which people lost &quot;most&quot;.  Every person that lost money in the crash, suffers deeply as a consequence, and most of them are completely innocent victims.

Basically, the depositors of KIoM fell through the cracks between the three countries, and got screwed.  The bulk of its money was transferred to KSFUK before the crash and got stuck there, when the British government closed the bank down on October 8th.  This resulted in the immediate collapse of Kaupthing worldwide, including the parent bank in Iceland.  The so called &quot;parent&quot; guarantee by Kaupthing in Iceland is therefore mostly useless, as the parent bank itself is bankrupt.  

I do not have any detailed knowledge of exactly how strong the claim is from KIoM to the bankruptcy proceedings of KSF and Kaupthing, but I would assume its being treated as an unsecured claim according to the bankruptcy laws of each respective country.

In any case, you have my deepest sympathy for your suffering, and I hope in the end you will be able to recover most of your savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Suzanne:</p>
<p>A lot more people, than just Kaupthing shareholders lost significant part (or all) of their savings in Iceland.  But I do not think it serves any purpose trying to debate which people lost &#8220;most&#8221;.  Every person that lost money in the crash, suffers deeply as a consequence, and most of them are completely innocent victims.</p>
<p>Basically, the depositors of KIoM fell through the cracks between the three countries, and got screwed.  The bulk of its money was transferred to KSFUK before the crash and got stuck there, when the British government closed the bank down on October 8th.  This resulted in the immediate collapse of Kaupthing worldwide, including the parent bank in Iceland.  The so called &#8220;parent&#8221; guarantee by Kaupthing in Iceland is therefore mostly useless, as the parent bank itself is bankrupt.  </p>
<p>I do not have any detailed knowledge of exactly how strong the claim is from KIoM to the bankruptcy proceedings of KSF and Kaupthing, but I would assume its being treated as an unsecured claim according to the bankruptcy laws of each respective country.</p>
<p>In any case, you have my deepest sympathy for your suffering, and I hope in the end you will be able to recover most of your savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter - London/Krakow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter - London/Krakow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC now reporting this on the front page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8438178.stm


I wonder how big a petition (even without fraud) the UK could raise when its reported that Icelandic people expect the UK taxpayer to bail out the Icelandic banks and banking system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC now reporting this on the front page.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8438178.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8438178.stm</a></p>
<p>I wonder how big a petition (even without fraud) the UK could raise when its reported that Icelandic people expect the UK taxpayer to bail out the Icelandic banks and banking system.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108254</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame Icelanders for not wanting to pay for failed privately owned banks costing the average Icelander 12000 Euro, but depositors in the Kaupthing Isle of Man branch have lost their life savings we had &quot;0&quot; returned to us for 14months now we finally have 40% just before Christmas, and we were the only solvent arm of Kaupthing who have ended up so much worse than any Icelander except for perhaps a Kaupthing shareholder, but we were not shareholders or investors but ordinary depositors. I have lost 30 years worth of life savings and my mother’s inheritance. It is sick as under parental guarantee of Kaupthing Iceland that we as the most solvent bank are the biggest losers robbed 100%. There is havoc illness and suicide amongst our depositors. We have to pay extra tax too for the failed banks connected to the Icelandic banks.

You may be aggrieved at the injustice of bailing out a bank (I agree with you...) but think what it like for us (UK citizens who equally hate Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling) who end up with nothing, totally fully robbed victims - any of us are too old or homeless now to wait for 10 years (projected forecast) to only get a percentage of our money back. Those greedy bastard bank directors have ruined thousands of lives (it is not justice for them to only get 8 months in jail - where is the pay back?) and there are 10,000 of us - victims from Kaupthing Isle of Man!  Please spare a thought for our suffering too we haven&#039;t just lost 12000 Euros but everything for over a year ( last Christmas a time of year I love was emotional hell), and we are still now made to suffer for 10 years. Where is the justice from the New Kaupthing, Iceland AND Britain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame Icelanders for not wanting to pay for failed privately owned banks costing the average Icelander 12000 Euro, but depositors in the Kaupthing Isle of Man branch have lost their life savings we had &#8220;0&#8243; returned to us for 14months now we finally have 40% just before Christmas, and we were the only solvent arm of Kaupthing who have ended up so much worse than any Icelander except for perhaps a Kaupthing shareholder, but we were not shareholders or investors but ordinary depositors. I have lost 30 years worth of life savings and my mother’s inheritance. It is sick as under parental guarantee of Kaupthing Iceland that we as the most solvent bank are the biggest losers robbed 100%. There is havoc illness and suicide amongst our depositors. We have to pay extra tax too for the failed banks connected to the Icelandic banks.</p>
<p>You may be aggrieved at the injustice of bailing out a bank (I agree with you&#8230;) but think what it like for us (UK citizens who equally hate Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling) who end up with nothing, totally fully robbed victims &#8211; any of us are too old or homeless now to wait for 10 years (projected forecast) to only get a percentage of our money back. Those greedy bastard bank directors have ruined thousands of lives (it is not justice for them to only get 8 months in jail &#8211; where is the pay back?) and there are 10,000 of us &#8211; victims from Kaupthing Isle of Man!  Please spare a thought for our suffering too we haven&#8217;t just lost 12000 Euros but everything for over a year ( last Christmas a time of year I love was emotional hell), and we are still now made to suffer for 10 years. Where is the justice from the New Kaupthing, Iceland AND Britain?</p>
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		<title>By: David Claxton</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108253</link>
		<dc:creator>David Claxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi from England,
Why should Icelandic, or any other, taxpayer bail out investors who saw the opportunity to make a nice profit but chose to ignore the many warnings, months before the collapse.  The investors made commercial decisions but failed to read the signs. Don&#039;t pay up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi from England,<br />
Why should Icelandic, or any other, taxpayer bail out investors who saw the opportunity to make a nice profit but chose to ignore the many warnings, months before the collapse.  The investors made commercial decisions but failed to read the signs. Don&#8217;t pay up.</p>
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		<title>By: Niels</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108248</link>
		<dc:creator>Niels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bjarni and Easy,
Absolutely amazing indeed. I agree that the deal should be in such a form that it does not force Iceland into bankruptcy and therefore I have full understanding for these amendments...but now it really seems that Althing and the goberment are selling out Iceland.
@Fried Jan,
I dislike Wouter Bos just as much as you do. This guy is now priding himself that he basically sold a loan to Iceland with a rate of 5,5 %.
Repayment of the debt should be done, but in a fair manner
@Peter,
I suppose that in a referendum a majority of icelanders would vote against the deal. However in that case the consequences for Iceland would be bad too. It is obvious that behind the curtains there is a lot of pressure on the icelandic goberment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bjarni and Easy,<br />
Absolutely amazing indeed. I agree that the deal should be in such a form that it does not force Iceland into bankruptcy and therefore I have full understanding for these amendments&#8230;but now it really seems that Althing and the goberment are selling out Iceland.<br />
@Fried Jan,<br />
I dislike Wouter Bos just as much as you do. This guy is now priding himself that he basically sold a loan to Iceland with a rate of 5,5 %.<br />
Repayment of the debt should be done, but in a fair manner<br />
@Peter,<br />
I suppose that in a referendum a majority of icelanders would vote against the deal. However in that case the consequences for Iceland would be bad too. It is obvious that behind the curtains there is a lot of pressure on the icelandic goberment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarni</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108244</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jimbo (original Jim):

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Is there any constitutional direction saying which of those two he should focus on: ie what’s best for the country or what the people want?

Not really, in fact the text is relatively short:

&quot;26. gr. Ef Alþingi hefur samþykkt lagafrumvarp, skal það lagt fyrir forseta lýðveldisins til staðfestingar eigi síðar en tveim vikum eftir að það var samþykkt, og veitir staðfestingin því lagagildi. Nú synjar forseti lagafrumvarpi staðfestingar, og fær það þó engu að síður lagagildi, en leggja skal það þá svo fljótt sem kostur er undir atkvæði allra kosningarbærra manna í landinu til samþykktar eða synjunar með leynilegri atkvæðagreiðslu. Lögin falla úr gildi, ef samþykkis er synjað, en ella halda þau gildi sínu.&quot;

http://www.stjornarskra.is/Itarefni/

Basically it says that laws passed by Althingi have to be submitted to the President within 2 weeks for his signature to be ratified.  If he declines to sign, the laws still become valid, but they will have to be voted on in a national referendum as soon as possible.  If they are voted down in the referendum, the laws are voided.

There is nothing mentioned in the constitution as to what the President should take into account when making the decision.  When the President refused to sign the media laws few years ago, he specifically said it was to avoid a &quot;rift&quot; between the parliament and the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jimbo (original Jim):</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Is there any constitutional direction saying which of those two he should focus on: ie what’s best for the country or what the people want?</p>
<p>Not really, in fact the text is relatively short:</p>
<p>&#8220;26. gr. Ef Alþingi hefur samþykkt lagafrumvarp, skal það lagt fyrir forseta lýðveldisins til staðfestingar eigi síðar en tveim vikum eftir að það var samþykkt, og veitir staðfestingin því lagagildi. Nú synjar forseti lagafrumvarpi staðfestingar, og fær það þó engu að síður lagagildi, en leggja skal það þá svo fljótt sem kostur er undir atkvæði allra kosningarbærra manna í landinu til samþykktar eða synjunar með leynilegri atkvæðagreiðslu. Lögin falla úr gildi, ef samþykkis er synjað, en ella halda þau gildi sínu.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stjornarskra.is/Itarefni/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stjornarskra.is/Itarefni/</a></p>
<p>Basically it says that laws passed by Althingi have to be submitted to the President within 2 weeks for his signature to be ratified.  If he declines to sign, the laws still become valid, but they will have to be voted on in a national referendum as soon as possible.  If they are voted down in the referendum, the laws are voided.</p>
<p>There is nothing mentioned in the constitution as to what the President should take into account when making the decision.  When the President refused to sign the media laws few years ago, he specifically said it was to avoid a &#8220;rift&#8221; between the parliament and the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarni</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108242</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the 60500 people that had signed the petition by this morning, 56089 were included on the list given to the President.  This represents 23.3% of all people in Iceland that have the right to vote.

Only the names of people that were 18 years or older and could be matched along with the national id (kennitala) in the national registry (þjóðskrá) were included.  

http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2010/01/02/4_stjornarthingmenn_skrifudu_undir/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the 60500 people that had signed the petition by this morning, 56089 were included on the list given to the President.  This represents 23.3% of all people in Iceland that have the right to vote.</p>
<p>Only the names of people that were 18 years or older and could be matched along with the national id (kennitala) in the national registry (þjóðskrá) were included.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2010/01/02/4_stjornarthingmenn_skrifudu_undir/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2010/01/02/4_stjornarthingmenn_skrifudu_undir/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bjarni</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/12/31/icesave-goes-to-iceland-president-for-final-decision/#comment-108241</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Fried-Jan Unger:

Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Fried-Jan Unger:</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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