Former Icelandic Prime Minister and head of the Central Bank of Iceland David Oddsson has been hired as the new editor of Morgunbladid, the country’s most influential and widely bought newspaper. Former Vidskiptabladid editor Haraldur Johannessen will be co-editor and Sigurdur Mar Jonsson will take over at Vidskiptabladid, Iceland’s business and financial newspaper.
The news was revealed to Morgunbladid staff by publisher Oskar Magnusson at a meeting earlier today. Staff also learned today that the Sunday edition is to start being distributed along with Saturday’s paper.
Magnusson said in an interview with RUV afterwards that his staff took the news of their new editor well. He said he feels it is not dangerous to have such a controversial figure in the editor’s chair and does not see a widespread fall in the paper’s readership. David Oddsson has always been able to gain widespread attention with relative ease.
As a young man, Oddsson spent a short spell as a political commentator for Morgunbladid before beginning his long political career in earnest. Oddsson was forced out of the Central Bank by the new government early this year; but never intimated any intention to retire from public life.
Morgunbladid will continue to take a position on important issues, RUV reports. It is expected that Oddsson and Johannesson will begin their new jobs tomorrow. The power of editor will be equally divided between the two.
Dude! No way!
Not cool Iceland.
Does Morgunbladid have an editorial comment section where the newspaper expresses it opinions on current news? Or will the whole newspaper become that?…
What a joke…
The architect of the greatest bankruptcy ever will now get to rewrite history and blame it all on someone else…
Will you never learn Iceland!
That we need after he have done damage. He is back again.
Goodness
40 people laid off so far,
its hard to believe this wasn’t a joke.
LOL, I never fully trusted the editor of mbl as Sjálfstæðisflokkur always use the paper for the manipulation of opinions but now is like they are saying, YOU KNOW WHAT!! IN YOUR FACE!!
Wow this is really sad, but really a nation has what they deserve.
Who acctually owns Morgunblaðið?
People should really organize to stop buying morgunblaðið.
It would be a mistake to think that the old power base of the Independence Party is simply going to leave quietly into the background, and let new younger (inexperienced) generation take over.
Many of them still believe, that everything was perfect and going the right way for Iceland under the leadership of David Oddson, and it was only when he retired from the government, that things started going downhill, culminating in the crash last year.
Many of the old IP supporters believe that we are letting IMF and EU walk all over us, and what Iceland needs again is a strong leadership to stand up to them. Seeing the weaknesses of the current government dealing with the situation only reinforces this belief.
The change in ownership of Morgunbladid and subsequent hiring of David as editor, is a just part of a larger power struggle between the old and the new Iceland, the outcome of which has not yet been determined.
Iceland’s ruling class looks after its own.
It will be interesting to see how long Icenews lasts as a link from mbl.is if Davið Oddsson disagrees with too many of its contributors. Or maybe he’ll just have unwelcome posts deleted.
“a larger power struggle between the old and the new Iceland, the outcome of which has not yet been determined”
Well, if the newest Iceland was represented by the Civic Movement…
What a sick joke. It’s been nearly a year since the collapase and it really is about time Iceland started rejoining the real world in terms of recognising accountabiliuty etc. And I say that as an Icelandophile. Christ, this kind of thing make even New Labour look honorable.
He really is teflon man!
My words some months ago, in February 2009:
“Fortunately, the bird “left” the golden nest … Forty years in the Central Bank – Eirikur Gudnason, the 2nd Governor, has worked in the Central Bank for forty years and hence was an important part of Iceland’s financial history. Oddsson has been chairman since autumn 2005 – , and, he is not the Chairman of Governors. Clearly confirms that Chairman of Governors of the Central Bank was a political position, a golden oldness, an absolute and partisan control of the economic and monetary policy. It has been a political gift! Icelanders: NEVER AGAIN!!! Cool air in each corner of the Central Bank! BYE BYE ODDSSON; BYE BYE !!!!! PS: by the way … and your next den ? !!!!!!!”
//////////////////////////
Some months ago, I wrote these words about Oddsson, the Almighty, and his golden oldness (ICB); I did wonder what would be the next golden den. Here, we have the answer!
Almighty was humbled, he thinks he was humbled, and, of course, he does not think that he humbled to Iceland and, he cries for vengeance: all the field guns are prepared! And Johanna will know the real face of this man, his plans, and Iceland and its Premier will know what this man has in his mind! It will be terrifying; he swears revenge on Johanna and this Government!
He is so arrogant; he did revalue the icelandic currency from 188 up to 143 per Euro (December 2nd-February 26th., when he was dismissed from his post at ICB) And he knew real exchange rate, more than 300 to Euro, free market. Thus, with an exchange rate at 143 against Euro again, he could always say: ‘when I left the Central Bank, the krona was very revalued, with a good exchange rate’. Same tricks for years; and same tricks until February! I never knew a so haughty man, and, I did never know a so mistaken man! He is so proud and stubborn! Poor! Really he is not poor; Iceland, thanks to him, and some clowns, is a poor country.
Yes, yes, Laughing all the way to the bank, it is not a joke: The architect of the greatest bankruptcy ever will now get to rewrite history and blame it all on someone else…
And, of course, the beautiful Iceland will never learn!
I’m surprised, really shocked in fact. I guess you have to give people a second chance, and maybe he will grab this with arms wide open.
“does not see a widespread fall in the paper’s readership”
This is most funny expectation for new Editor I’ve ever heard.
“We appoint new guy to make all our readers mad at us but we’ll still hope to keep them loyal”… LOL
Icelandic nomenklatura – almost like in the old days of the Soviet Union. Very cool!
“Christ, this kind of thing make even New Labour look honorable.”
Nothing in the world could make New Labor look honorable,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article6841451.ece
but this makes the idiots that made this decision look much worse, almost all the older and the experienced reporters have been fired, MBL is going to be a IP propaganda media, it had its limitations before but its done for now, the Danes call MBL “dødens Avis” (the Newspaper of death)because of all the obituary’s, they are probably the only thing we can read in the MBL that is reliable.
Keep in mind that he is part of the bilderberg and they dont just let the power go
To various:
>>>>Not cool Iceland.
>>>>Will you never learn Iceland!
>>>>Wow this is really sad, but really a nation has what they deserve.
>>>>And, of course, the beautiful Iceland will never learn!
Just to remind everyone, Morgunblaðið is a PRIVATELY owned newspaper, and we the general public in Iceland have no real say in who is hired there as the editor. The only option people have is to stop buying the paper, which apparently many have already done since this was announced.
LAXNESS… “That we need after he have done damage. He is back again.
Goodness”
YES, HE IS LIKE FREDDY KRUEGER, HE ALWAYS WILL COME BACK TO CREATE YOUR WORST NIGHTMARES… BECAUSE SINCE HE AND HIS FRIENDS SINKED ICELAND THERE IS NOT A SINGLE ICELANDER THAT CAN HAVE A DECENT NIGHT OF GOOD SLEEP. EVEN THE CORPSES OF THE DEADS ROLL IN THE CEMETERY!!
SCARY…
“Just to remind everyone, Morgunblaðið is a PRIVATELY owned newspaper, and we the general public in Iceland have no real say in who is hired there as the editor.”
Even though Iceland is legally neutral about Oddsson becoming editor in chief, Iceland could always invite the US or UK to invade and remove him via regime change.
An old east german joke (about the party newspaper “Neues Deutschland” ) applies to Morgunblaðið .
The football results are ALWAYS true.
The weather forecast is SOMETIMES true.
The rest is NEVER true.
>Just to remind everyone, Morgunblaðið is a PRIVATELY owned newspaper
But one bailed out with PUBLIC money.
Not that I know whether the debt write-off was significant, but it certainly sounded like it was.
>It will be interesting to see how long Icenews lasts as a link from mbl.is if
>Davið Oddsson disagrees with too many of its contributors.
Although who knows, I very much doubt the co-editors ( Davið and Haraldur ) has any input on that. But maybe they will want to make specific profressional translations into English of the articles.
I am as reader here know critical of editors here at IceNews about keeping opinion editorial ( op-ed ) and news press wire type stories clearly seperated :
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/02/24/david-oddsson-says-david-oddsson-doing-well-at-cbi/#comment-67856
I expect that now from our postings here in comments over last year we have given the IceNews better ranking in search engines that losing MBL.is link would not be end of the world.
>Or maybe he’ll just have unwelcome posts deleted.
Really despite his clearly deep influence in politics since 1991, I do think that there is too much putting to Davið some kinds of supernatural powers and tenticles in every thing.
But who knows maybe it is true and left wing conspiracy theorist are write.
Easy wrote :
>People should really organize to stop buying morgunblaðið.
I find it fun to read about the ones orgainizing this bycott — there will be less stop bying it than say so because of course left wingers are not ones that buy it.
They read it online. ( They may say not but of course they do. )
Haraldur Johannessen did great job of business coverage particularly in ensuring accurate articles about collapse and business were published.
They have a detailed series on events leading to and causing the collapse starting in issue today ( Sunday ).
( You can buy PDF online now as well. https://secure.mbl.is/mm/mogginn/blad_dagsins/dagur_pdf.html )
>But who knows maybe it is true and left wing conspiracy theorist are write.
Comedy show Spaugstofan yesterday ( Sat ) had Davið receiving the offer by phone from ‘faceless’ owner and then turning into Incredible Hulk when goaded into offered the chance to get even with what Jón Ásgeir did using his owner ship of Fréttablaðið.
But ..
Bjarni wrote :
>Seeing the weaknesses of the current government dealing with the situation
>only reinforces this belief.
>The change in ownership of Morgunbladid and subsequent hiring of David as
>editor, is a just part of a larger power struggle between the old and the new
>Iceland, the outcome of which has not yet been determined.
.. What I hope we will finally see with Davið and Haraldur as co-editor as well as more good article exposing fact behind the collapse, is some long over due hard hitting criticism of current Red-Green coalition.
That is certainly not coming from Fréttablaðið or DV. ( Even Sun in UK has more hard news than DV does. I think DV only employs photographers )
Steingrímur J. ( Left Greens ) and Jóhanna ( Social Democrats ) have had over half a year to sort out situation after coming into power 1st Feb and after making us pay for they wasteful election in April.
Instead it has been missed opportunitys ( what the hell was with this Japanese offer to buy Glitnir ” lost ” by Steingrímur ), floating sideways on existing ideas of last coalition ( Independence Party and Social Democrat ) and concentrate on pet projects such as ban lapdancing and EU joining at any cost.
It is time for them to get some scrutiny and hard questions asked of them.
And we can get to hear more from Davið about what happend including lack of swaps support from other central banks and how he did keep on saying that the banks are too large and should cut down they dare devil expansion abroad and did try to stop this since after the Geyser Crisis in 2006+ :
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/07/01/iceland-icesave-deal-“there-is-no-plan-b”/#comment-84576
+No I am not being sarcastic. Look at the evidence, not at the left wing rhetoric.
Brumley86 :
>But one bailed out with PUBLIC money.
First I heard any bailout.
If you mean banks ( currently owned by Icelandic taxpayer ) writing off uncollectible loan, then you would not be wrong.
But of course that is not what you did write.
>Not that I know whether the debt write-off was significant, but it certainly >sounded like it was.
Why not do you usual detailed checking research instead of post misleading ?
Niels wrote :
>An old east german joke (about the party newspaper “Neues Deutschland” ) applies to Morgunblaðið .
Do you actually have * read * Morgunblaðið ?
Not only is quality of journalism very high there — but many articles are published that come just from member of public writing them and sending them in.
Have any one here actually read Fréttablaðið and DV ? Not exactly bastion of un bias journalism are they?
( In DV case as I say they do not have journalists they have photographers. Am I joking? Not really ).
To Bromley86:
>>>>But one bailed out with PUBLIC money.
Not that I know whether the debt write-off was significant, but it certainly sounded like it was.
There was a lot of controversy about this at the time and probably with good reason. Large part of the debt was written off by Islandsbanki when the new owners took Morgunblaðið over. Unfortunately this does not change the fact, that the new owners are now in full control and can choose whichever editor they want.
>Why not do you usual detailed checking research instead of post misleading ?
Because I’m just not that interested in another related party transaction that occurred in Iceland?
P.S.. The special articel series on the collapse is here:
http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/serefni/bankahrun/
Icelandic of course unless they decide to translate into English. But it has a nice timeline.
Click on the > from that page. ( You can click on the white dates and and also the month names to navigate though. )
Some foolish man wrote :
>The architect of the greatest bankruptcy ever will now get to rewrite history and blame it all on someone else…
You mean Gordon Brown?
The Central Bank/ Financial Services Authority we have in Iceland since 1998 is modelled on what Gordon Brown did in the UK seperating the Bank of England and making the FSA.
A stronger Central Bank powers as it had before could have reined in banks.
>You mean Gordon Brown?
Surely not? If Gordon Brown jumped off a cliff, would Iceland?
No, you’re right. Some foreigner must be more to blame than the guy that’s run Iceland for so long.
…and I blame the UK’s banking collapse on Geir Haarde and David Oddsson. By following Gordon Brown’s policies for so many years, they gave him a false confidence in his own policies. It’s all Geir and David’s fault. Even Lehman Brothers. And the dot com crash. And don’t forget the 1970s oil crisis. And the 1930s depression.
I was just reading MBL and saw this:
“Officials and others who contributed to the preparation to take over banks called an emergency among themselves, “s**t-with-aliens-law” provided the law was intended to protect the interests of Iceland and Icelandic banks’ assets, but skip the rescue of their foreign assets.”
Very funny :) . Is there a better translation for “skítt-með-útlendingana-lögin”?
To Bromley86:
>>>>Is there a better translation for “skítt-með-útlendingana-lögin”?
Clearly not the proudest moment of Icelandic government.
Translating swear words from Icelandic to English is always very difficult. “skítt-með” translates literally to “s**t-with” as you mention, but the real meaning is actually closer to “ignore” , “snub”, or “drop”. I would therefore go with something like “drop-the-foreigners-laws”.
Thanks Bjarni!
Is Oddson a scapegoat for the current dire straights of Iceland?
How much responsibility does Oddson bear for the real destructive actions of Iceland banks abroad?
Did he have any real influence over the Icelandic FSA?
And just to further clarify this article that Brumley did quote from:
http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2009/09/30/engin_samskipti_vid_sedlabanka/
The ones that are alleged to refer to Act no.125/2008 as the “drop-the-foreigners-laws” is the staffers working on it, not the MPs / Ministers.
Of course it gives all depositors higher priority in liquidation of the banks which is contrversial ( as bond holders are challenging it ) but as discussed in this epic thread on subject :
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/07/29/more-members-of-parliament-against-the-icesave-deal/#comment-88054
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/07/29/more-members-of-parliament-against-the-icesave-deal/#comment-88064
.. main purpose of the emergency laws 125/2008 was NOT to stiff the foreigners, but keep the Icelandic banking system up and running during major financial crisis.
As to depositor protection with government backing which was for all local bank account ( Icelander or foreigner person or company with a icelandic social security number or company registration ), the Association of Dutch Savings Owners are intended to make lawsuit complaint about discrimination based on nationality for full backing of domestic bank accounts vs foreign branches.
They are unlikely to prevail ( this kind of backing giving more to domestic accounts was done in Ireland first when the crisis hit and has not been challenge by EU commission as they dont want to touch the issue ) but it can go up to the EFTA court for ruling if it is based on breaches of EEA.
But it is the right of any person or company to sue about this in Icelandic court.
On Sep 29, 2009, Bromley86 said:
>No, you’re right. Some foreigner must be more to blame than the guy that’s run Iceland for so long.
On Sep 30, 2009, Jim said:
…and I blame the UK’s banking collapse on Geir Haarde and David Oddsson
As to my post
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/24/david-oddsson-becomes-newspaper-editor/comment-page-1/#comment-94541
I post it because when someone ( this one posting as ‘Laughing all the way to the bank’ ) does make this foolish generalization I respond with another genalization ( although less foolish than it first appear ).
After all Brown is more architect of greatest bancruptcy ever than Davið ( UK banks and this huge spending binge with borrowed money Brown as Chancellor and then unelected UK prime minister has been on since late 1990s ).
Just because the UK banks that went bankrupt were taken over at huge UK tax payer expense ( Northern Rock, RBS ) or other bank ( LLoyds with HBOS ) does not make them less bankrupt.
Yes it is true that Davið and Geir did implement the Brown model, and also of course nearly 100% of the EU financial regulations and did enforce them.
But the whole point is that these were fixed by EU commission, and when adopted could not be made different in core. The architect and maker of the building plans was NOT Davið or Geir.
And any deviations that did come from Davið or Geir were * more * conservative and carefull than the Brown model or EU regulations.
The bankers that did borrow wholesale and the Icelandic FSA which did not control the systematic risk of growth of banks of course have the most to answer for, but those who blame Davið alone are simply ignoring the facts.
If you actually do bother to read for example Chapter 2. Institutional Framework
and Chapter 3. of Kaarlo Jännäri report ( The Kaarlo Jännäri Report on Banking Regulation and Supervision in Iceland Recommendations and Conclusions March 30 2009 ) :
http://eng.forsaetisraduneyti.is/media/frettir/KaarloJannari__2009.pdf
.. then you can get those facts.
Also this might be of worth reading:
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/07/01/iceland-icesave-deal-“there-is-no-plan-b”/comment-page-1/#comment-84412
>And any deviations that did come from Davið or Geir were * more * conservative and carefull than the Brown model or EU regulations.
hahahahahahahah!
Sorry, but sometime intelligent arguments just aren’t necessary :) .
I wrote :
>And any deviations that did come from Davið or Geir were * more * conservative and carefull than the Brown model or EU regulations.
Brumley86 wrote :
>Sorry, but sometime intelligent arguments just aren’t necessary :) .
Only if you don’t have any in reply which you clearly dont. I am beginning wonder if your and Peter – London do not come from same basic school of argumenting.
Let me quote for you from two sources for you. Something you could easily do your self but you lack of interest in this facts.
Exhibit A.. Kaarlo Jännäri report ( retired Director General of the Finnish Financial Supervision Authority ) :
p. 10. “Iceland has been a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) since 1994. In effect, EEA
membership means that Iceland must incorporate the European Union directives and regulations in
the financial field into its legal framework. Accordingly, Iceland has implemented EU legislation
through its own laws and regulations. The only major omission until recently was the Directive on
Financial Conglomerates, which was not fully implemented by the FME until September 2008. This
may have been a handicap for the supervision of the complicated financial structures that were built
around the major banking groups. In practice this was not considered to be a problem.”
“.. Unfortunately, the single European financial market construction has some major deficiencies that
have surfaced in the present global crisis. In many respects, the crisis in Iceland is a manifestation of
these deficiencies.”
p. 12 “The 1999 separation of banking supervision from the CBI was
carried out under circumstances that were quite different from those reigning today. It was then an
international trend and fashion to separate the central bank and its monetary policy function from
micro-level supervision of individual institutions. This trend has continued until recently.”
p. 16 “Had the
supervisory authorities tried to intervene and forcefully tried to stop this development, they would in
all probability have failed, as they lacked the legal authority to intervene. Iceland, like the other
Nordic countries, is a nation where the actions of the authorities must be based on law.
Discretionary powers are strictly limited. In retrospect, it is easy to assert that the Icelandic banks’
expansion abroad should have been restricted, but in the European Single Market framework and
with the European Passport, this was simply not something that could be readily accomplished within
the existing legal environment.”
Exhibit B.. Ingimundur Friðriksson ( Governor of the Central Bank of Iceland ), paper: The banking crisis in Iceland in 2008 page 10 :
“For several years, the Central Bank of Iceland’s rules on liquidity
facilities have been largely modelled on those of the ECB. I say
largely because for quite a while the Icelandic rules were rather more
stringent than those in Europe – that is, the Central Bank of Iceland set
stricter requirements concerning eligibility of collateral…”
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/02/06/the-banking-crisis-in-iceland-in-2008/
Damn it Fisy, I’m not rereading all this :) .
Rough guess: Your position is Oddson is blameless and it’s all the EU. My position is that the government of Iceland (i.e. effectively Oddsson) was to blame for the situation being allowed to occur.
I simply don’t believe Jannari when he says, “it is easy to assert that the Icelandic banks’ expansion abroad should have been restricted, but in the European Single Market framework and
with the European Passport, this was simply not something that could be readily accomplished within
the existing legal environment.” Iceland makes it’s own laws, although perhaps that’s what he means by “existing”.
But even allowing that that was true, Oddsson was heavily involved in the privatisation that set the stage for this. I know that you like to blame the PP chap, but even if the balance of power was with him (and I’m not saying that’s the case), Oddsson said nothing. That in itself is enough to damn him, IMO.
Brumley writes :
>Rough guess: Your position is Oddson is blameless and it’s all the EU. My
>position is that the government of Iceland (i.e. effectively Oddsson) was to blame
>for the situation being allowed to occur.
That is just a sound bite. Both of your idea you write there is simply a straw man.
Every time there is some discussion of facts and responsibility of EU regulation, split of Iceland central bank and creation of FME ( Icelandic FSA ) and the privitazation of banks then suddenly it becomes how Davið is all seeing devil figure with his huge blue hand was responsible for all of the actions of all these different people.
That everyone in business in Iceland and government must have been Davið puppet controlled from his own huge blue hand.
This simply is ridiculous nonsense. It is just need for a single figure by the left winger to be there for their two minutes of hate.
Brumley, whole difference between what I write and what you write genrally is that I do not over simply what happened and instead of giving just some sound bite I give the facts and original source as I can find.
I have given you actual quotes from men that actually have experience in area, including the very detailed report from Kaarlo Jännäri who as I say is extermely experienced in the EU banking and securities regulation — and was there when this EU regulations was being formed.
Brumley writes :
>I simply don’t believe Jannari when he says, “it is easy to assert that the Icelandic
>banks’ expansion abroad should have been restricted, but in the European Single
>Market framework and?>with the European Passport, this was simply not something that could be readily >accomplished within the existing legal environment.”
Where exactly does belief sit in this ?
Either he is an expert giving his analysis or he isnt.
It is pretty clear he is someone that know the regulations. Well.
This man, Kaarlo is not some EU skeptic but ++ pro European Union ++ member state for Iceland. He is an independnet profressional man asked to apply his knowledge of the bankling regulations of EU and EFTA as he did get in Nordic area as Director General of the Financial Supervision Authority in Finland 1996 – 2007.
You had better Brumley do better than this and come up with actual proof that he says is wrong. Not some spitting in direction of ” the devil crook Davið “.
You claims as they do get shorter and short do become more and more the incredible ones that require at least credible proof of what you are saying.
That is getting fewer and farer between with each day that passes.
It seems that all over Scandinavia journalists disapprove of Oddson’s appointment.
They made a joint statement expressing their concern:
http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=16539&ew_0_a_id=353716
On Dec 8, 2009, Bromley86 said:
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/28/british-and-dutch-stance-on-icesave-hardening/#comment-105171
I Fisy wrote :
>>I use the straw men description correctly Brumley
Brumley reply :
>Nope. You’ll be unsurprised to hear that I’ve checked with wiki and you really don’t
Another desperate attempt to subvert and redirection the discussions. So I will post answer here in this thread. I will use the same source you are saying you used :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Example
“Straw man arguments often arise in public debates even when less flawed arguments could be found to support the same position.
? (Hypothetical) prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.
The proposal was to relax laws on beer. Person B has exaggerated this to a position harder to defend, i.e., “unrestricted access to intoxicants”.[3] The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern: 1. Topic A is under discussion. 2. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A). 3. Topic A is abandoned.”
So how exactly Brumley does your post here in context of discussion I was bringing up.. :
:
>> topic B : “Rough guess: Your position is Oddson is blameless and it’s all the EU. My position is that the government of Iceland (i.e. effectively Oddsson) was to blame for the situation being allowed to occur.”
.. not straw men ?
When the subject and evidence I did reply and give to you was this subject and statement ( which course you never have yet comment on properly ) :
> topic A : ” any deviations that did come from Davið or Geir were * more * conservative and carefull than the Brown model or EU regulations. ”
Instead of replying to the evidence you did reply by coming up with that straw men quote about Oddson being blameless and your position about Icelandic government Oddsson being to blame .
You was doing classic straw man argumenting, Brumey.
But you will note Brumley that in the thread over where+ Mike and I are going to discuss this exact topic of FME and EU regulations in more details.
Maybe there you will come with tail between legs and actually stop sounding more and more like you do, as if you argumenting partner of Peter – London.
+http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/28/british-and-dutch-stance-on-icesave-hardening/#comment-104260
Sure, Fisy, you win As I said when I tried to summarise our positions, I can’t be bothered to reread stuff from 2 months ago.
I do however believe that your attitude towards Oddsson is directly relevant to any discussion about him. As I can’t remember you saying a single bad word about him, I take all of your evidence with a huge pinch of salt.
I ignore your ad hominem about Oddsson again in spirit of constructivism.
>I take all of your evidence with a huge pinch of salt.
Again we see you habit of selective reading. When it benefit your argumenting you go into the amazing detailed reading of subjects.
When not, it is too old or it is boring to you, etc etc..
But I do hope that we will get to bottom of things related to this debate about EU and Icelandic regulation and supervision in this thread with some good fact based argumenting :
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/28/british-and-dutch-stance-on-icesave-hardening/#comment-104260
>Again we see you habit of selective reading. When it benefit your argumenting you go into the amazing detailed reading of subjects.
Don’t think that’s generally true Fisy. You seem to have had a bug about this since that time you kept insisting that I read and understand the ECB regulations without you actually making a point first.
It is interesting to see that Mike has read the same report as you and come to a very different conclusion.