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		<title>By: Circumcision &#8211; Is it Necessary? &#124; Nature Moms Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Circumcision &#8211; Is it Necessary? &#124; Nature Moms Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about this subject in depth before..other than to say I am opposed to circumcision. But this article about how Denmark is considering a ban on circumcision got my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FGM and MGM; still a long way to go &#171; Purely a figment of your imagination</title>
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		<dc:creator>FGM and MGM; still a long way to go &#171; Purely a figment of your imagination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (see the case of a mother being fined after her son developed complications, for example) and Denmark seems to be flirting with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bromley, you could be right about circumcised (Afican) women wanting to reduce their daughters&#039; sexual pleasure down to their own level, just as circumcised American men do (only denying there is any reduction). Here is an interesting article about why women are cut in Nigeria, that has some eerie parallels with why males are cut. http://www.thetidenews.com/article.aspx?qrDate=01/14/2009&amp;qrTitle=Myths%20surrounding%20female%20genital%20mutilation&amp;qrColumn=YOUTH%20WORLD

Rabbi Wengrov said

&quot;Male circumcision is one of the oldest ... practices of Judaism.&quot;

Old =/= good. Slavery was thousands of years old before it was abolished (and it is in the Hebrew scriptures how to treat your slaves, so it can be - and was - argued that slavery is also divinely ordained). The Chinese bound girls&#039; feet for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Female genital cutting is probably just as old as the male.

&quot;...and most essential...&quot; If cutting baby boys&#039; genitals really were essential to Judaism, then that would be a stain on Judaism. It contradicts the edicts to loving-kindness, to doing no harm, and against marking the body. If Judaism is the fine ethical system it appears to be in every other respect, it will move on from the idea that baby boys&#039; genitals have to be cut. 

&quot;This is no more than anti-religious bigotry in the disguise of liberalism.&quot; No, most Intactivists are in the US, where they give by far the greatest part of their energy to opposing the US &quot;medical&quot; circumcision, which 30 times as common as the Jewish, and is carried out with quasi-religious fanaticism for hundreds of bad reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bromley, you could be right about circumcised (Afican) women wanting to reduce their daughters&#8217; sexual pleasure down to their own level, just as circumcised American men do (only denying there is any reduction). Here is an interesting article about why women are cut in Nigeria, that has some eerie parallels with why males are cut. <a href="http://www.thetidenews.com/article.aspx?qrDate=01/14/2009&#038;qrTitle=Myths%20surrounding%20female%20genital%20mutilation&#038;qrColumn=YOUTH%20WORLD" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetidenews.com/article.aspx?qrDate=01/14/2009&#038;qrTitle=Myths%20surrounding%20female%20genital%20mutilation&#038;qrColumn=YOUTH%20WORLD</a></p>
<p>Rabbi Wengrov said</p>
<p>&#8220;Male circumcision is one of the oldest &#8230; practices of Judaism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Old =/= good. Slavery was thousands of years old before it was abolished (and it is in the Hebrew scriptures how to treat your slaves, so it can be &#8211; and was &#8211; argued that slavery is also divinely ordained). The Chinese bound girls&#8217; feet for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Female genital cutting is probably just as old as the male.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and most essential&#8230;&#8221; If cutting baby boys&#8217; genitals really were essential to Judaism, then that would be a stain on Judaism. It contradicts the edicts to loving-kindness, to doing no harm, and against marking the body. If Judaism is the fine ethical system it appears to be in every other respect, it will move on from the idea that baby boys&#8217; genitals have to be cut. </p>
<p>&#8220;This is no more than anti-religious bigotry in the disguise of liberalism.&#8221; No, most Intactivists are in the US, where they give by far the greatest part of their energy to opposing the US &#8220;medical&#8221; circumcision, which 30 times as common as the Jewish, and is carried out with quasi-religious fanaticism for hundreds of bad reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Circumcision - Is it Necessary? &#124; Green and Natural Parenting</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about this subject in depth before..other than to say I am opposed to circumcision. But this article about how Denmark is considering a ban on circumcision got my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Male circumcision could be outlawed in Denmark &#171; Blog By Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Male circumcision could be outlawed in Denmark &#171; Blog By Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outlawed in&#160;Denmark Filed under: Sexism hurts men &#8212; Ampersand @ 12:59 am   Via BigFred: The Kristeligt Dagblad newspaper has reported that several parties in the Danish Parliament are considering legislation that would ban [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Schala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no comparing male circumcision to the horrible mutilation that is mistakenly named “female circumcision.”&quot;

I agree, but you can&#039;t even do anything at all to female genitals in most progressive countries I know, nothing even if its damage that would heal in a day or less, no worst than a small cut on your finger or your arm.

While it is legal, and done in well-over 50% of US male births, as a matter of so-called cleanliness. Because sure, having a keratinized penis must be much better in itself.

It&#039;s still much better in adulthood, even if it takes a longer time to heal. The same for intersex infants being reassigned or butchered. If they want it themselves, it can wait until they are old enough to decide for themselves, rather than have butchered tissue to try and do something with (you try and tell a boy who was raised as a girl and who had his penis cut off, though they called it clitorodectomy, as a &quot;social emergency&quot; to better identify as a girl, that they HAD to cut his penis off.)

There&#039;s also freedom of religion. You can indoctrinate your family in your traditions and your religion, but until they can agree to take part in it in an unbiased fashion, they should not have to. Especially one-time rituals that end up maiming their sex organ for life.

I was baptized as an infant, but since I didn&#039;t drown, and had no lasting effect or trauma, or anything physical to show for it - I don&#039;t mind. Doing something irreversible is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no comparing male circumcision to the horrible mutilation that is mistakenly named “female circumcision.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but you can&#8217;t even do anything at all to female genitals in most progressive countries I know, nothing even if its damage that would heal in a day or less, no worst than a small cut on your finger or your arm.</p>
<p>While it is legal, and done in well-over 50% of US male births, as a matter of so-called cleanliness. Because sure, having a keratinized penis must be much better in itself.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still much better in adulthood, even if it takes a longer time to heal. The same for intersex infants being reassigned or butchered. If they want it themselves, it can wait until they are old enough to decide for themselves, rather than have butchered tissue to try and do something with (you try and tell a boy who was raised as a girl and who had his penis cut off, though they called it clitorodectomy, as a &#8220;social emergency&#8221; to better identify as a girl, that they HAD to cut his penis off.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also freedom of religion. You can indoctrinate your family in your traditions and your religion, but until they can agree to take part in it in an unbiased fashion, they should not have to. Especially one-time rituals that end up maiming their sex organ for life.</p>
<p>I was baptized as an infant, but since I didn&#8217;t drown, and had no lasting effect or trauma, or anything physical to show for it &#8211; I don&#8217;t mind. Doing something irreversible is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Nahum Wengrov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbi Nahum Wengrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no comparing male circumcision to the horrible mutilation that is mistakenly named &quot;female circumcision.&quot; For the latter, I recommend Ayaan Hirsi Ali&#039;s book, &quot;Infidel.&quot; 

Also, adult circumcision is much more painful and takes longer to heal than when done in infanthood.

Male circumcision is one of the oldest and most most essential religious practices of Judaism. Countless regimes attempted to ban it, with no avail. They are history, the Jewish faith lives on.

This is no more than anti-religious bigotry in the disguise of liberalism. If this ban passes, it will be a stain on Denmark&#039;s Folketing. Jews will just have to continue circumcising their male infants elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no comparing male circumcision to the horrible mutilation that is mistakenly named &#8220;female circumcision.&#8221; For the latter, I recommend Ayaan Hirsi Ali&#8217;s book, &#8220;Infidel.&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, adult circumcision is much more painful and takes longer to heal than when done in infanthood.</p>
<p>Male circumcision is one of the oldest and most most essential religious practices of Judaism. Countless regimes attempted to ban it, with no avail. They are history, the Jewish faith lives on.</p>
<p>This is no more than anti-religious bigotry in the disguise of liberalism. If this ban passes, it will be a stain on Denmark&#8217;s Folketing. Jews will just have to continue circumcising their male infants elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kieran: It&#039;s not that hard to believe: Routine circumcision in many places became commonplace *precisely* because it interrupted sexual pleasure. In more puritan times, that was the goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#Male_circumcision_to_prevent_masturbation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kieran: It&#8217;s not that hard to believe: Routine circumcision in many places became commonplace *precisely* because it interrupted sexual pleasure. In more puritan times, that was the goal.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#Male_circumcision_to_prevent_masturbation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#Male_circumcision_to_prevent_masturbation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Jewish parents are now choosing an alternative ceremony for their sons called Bris Shalom. For more information, 

jewishcircumcision.org
jewsagainstcircumcision.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Jewish parents are now choosing an alternative ceremony for their sons called Bris Shalom. For more information, </p>
<p>jewishcircumcision.org<br />
jewsagainstcircumcision.org</p>
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		<title>By: Bromley86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bromley86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point in your first paragraph Hugh7, although it does undermine your second (i.e. the women don&#039;t miss what they don&#039;t know).

It&#039;s funny, but I find myself on the fence on this one.  I fall into the &quot;nothing could be less wonderful&quot; group, so I tend towards allowing choice.  At the same time I stongly disagree with the brainwashing of young minds to a parent&#039;s religion, so I find it hard to argue with your final paragraph.

Scratch that - you&#039;ve convinced me.  Not sure I&#039;d risk creating a market for back street operations though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point in your first paragraph Hugh7, although it does undermine your second (i.e. the women don&#8217;t miss what they don&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, but I find myself on the fence on this one.  I fall into the &#8220;nothing could be less wonderful&#8221; group, so I tend towards allowing choice.  At the same time I stongly disagree with the brainwashing of young minds to a parent&#8217;s religion, so I find it hard to argue with your final paragraph.</p>
<p>Scratch that &#8211; you&#8217;ve convinced me.  Not sure I&#8217;d risk creating a market for back street operations though.</p>
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