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	<title>Comments on: Unbowed Icelandic PM sends a strong message to UK</title>
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		<title>By: Haddock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haddock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the UK Treasury has now come to this conclusion:

“During the collapse of the Landsbanki bank in October 2008, the Chancellor of the Exchequer took steps to safeguard the deposits of UK investors. The Report notes that his comments regarding the intentions of the Icelandic Authorities had a serious impact on the confidence held in the remaining solvent Icelandic bank. (...)

The use of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 however, clearly had considerable implications for the Icelandic authorities in their efforts to maintain a functioning financial system. The use of this Act inevitably stigmatises those subject to it and a less blunt instrument would be more appropriate. The Report expresses concern that no appropriate legislation is available and calls on the Treasury to address this matter.” 
(...)
&quot;Although the Icelandic banking system was vulnerable to the crisis that has affected the international financial system since 2007, the actions of the UK government in making statements on the capacity and willingness of the Icelandic government to provide assistance to non-Icelandic citizens, whether or not such statements were accurate, turned the UK government from being a seemingly passive observer of events, to an active participant in the market.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the UK Treasury has now come to this conclusion:</p>
<p>“During the collapse of the Landsbanki bank in October 2008, the Chancellor of the Exchequer took steps to safeguard the deposits of UK investors. The Report notes that his comments regarding the intentions of the Icelandic Authorities had a serious impact on the confidence held in the remaining solvent Icelandic bank. (&#8230;)</p>
<p>The use of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 however, clearly had considerable implications for the Icelandic authorities in their efforts to maintain a functioning financial system. The use of this Act inevitably stigmatises those subject to it and a less blunt instrument would be more appropriate. The Report expresses concern that no appropriate legislation is available and calls on the Treasury to address this matter.”<br />
(&#8230;)<br />
&#8220;Although the Icelandic banking system was vulnerable to the crisis that has affected the international financial system since 2007, the actions of the UK government in making statements on the capacity and willingness of the Icelandic government to provide assistance to non-Icelandic citizens, whether or not such statements were accurate, turned the UK government from being a seemingly passive observer of events, to an active participant in the market.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Biri</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/10/16/unbowed-icelandic-pm-sends-a-strong-message-to-uk/#comment-57228</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Biri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was easy to see that Iceland´s central bank was on flimsy foundation.
If you read the speech 14 June 2004 of Davíd Oddsson, former Prime Minister and present chief of the bank of Iceland. He said: &quot;Politicians who lack clear political vision tend to go astray when there are many complex questions to ponder. 
When Milton Friedman visited Iceland in the nineteen-eighties he was asked what solution he had to Iceland’s economic problems. Friedman gave a simple answer: ´The solution is freedom´.&quot;
Deregulation made the wrong way was the cause for the collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was easy to see that Iceland´s central bank was on flimsy foundation.<br />
If you read the speech 14 June 2004 of Davíd Oddsson, former Prime Minister and present chief of the bank of Iceland. He said: &#8220;Politicians who lack clear political vision tend to go astray when there are many complex questions to ponder.<br />
When Milton Friedman visited Iceland in the nineteen-eighties he was asked what solution he had to Iceland’s economic problems. Friedman gave a simple answer: ´The solution is freedom´.&#8221;<br />
Deregulation made the wrong way was the cause for the collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KFS savers IOM are still holding their breath as so far the promise from the HQ in Iceland to guarantee all savers money is just not happening, is Iceland renaging on a promise I ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KFS savers IOM are still holding their breath as so far the promise from the HQ in Iceland to guarantee all savers money is just not happening, is Iceland renaging on a promise I ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMF have not decided if they will offer this loan
we have only requested it, now the IMF board will  reviev the request and accept it as it is or
accept it with added terms and conditions from the british, if they accept this as it is there is reason to be optimistic

Darling said today that he was continuing to press for compensation for British savers. 

&quot;Now we&#039;re working with Icelandic government and the IMF, who are porbably going to have to help the Icelandic government, but one of the conditions that I want, is that British depositors&#039; position is safeguarded,&quot; he said.

this IMF deal will most likely fall apart in the next few days</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMF have not decided if they will offer this loan<br />
we have only requested it, now the IMF board will  reviev the request and accept it as it is or<br />
accept it with added terms and conditions from the british, if they accept this as it is there is reason to be optimistic</p>
<p>Darling said today that he was continuing to press for compensation for British savers. </p>
<p>&#8220;Now we&#8217;re working with Icelandic government and the IMF, who are porbably going to have to help the Icelandic government, but one of the conditions that I want, is that British depositors&#8217; position is safeguarded,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>this IMF deal will most likely fall apart in the next few days</p>
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		<title>By: Peter (Germany)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter (Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axel, I don&#039;t believe the picture is quite as gloomy as you paint it. Now that IMF agreed to help Iceland other countries will come to your help as well. Iceland and Britain need to settle their dispute, and for this compromising and climbing down is necessary for BOTH sides.

The long-term perspective of Iceland is excellent - you&#039;ve got vast and very interesting resources (which might be the reason why Russia is interested in you). Also, your country is incredible beautiful and you&#039;ve got a friendly people - people will continue to flock to Iceland to spend their holidays in your country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axel, I don&#8217;t believe the picture is quite as gloomy as you paint it. Now that IMF agreed to help Iceland other countries will come to your help as well. Iceland and Britain need to settle their dispute, and for this compromising and climbing down is necessary for BOTH sides.</p>
<p>The long-term perspective of Iceland is excellent &#8211; you&#8217;ve got vast and very interesting resources (which might be the reason why Russia is interested in you). Also, your country is incredible beautiful and you&#8217;ve got a friendly people &#8211; people will continue to flock to Iceland to spend their holidays in your country.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMF will take up to 10 days to decide if they will offer help, the British will try to prevent this from happening to keep their stranglehold on us here in Iceland, the Russian loan is on ice  because of something they want in return, 
most likely a airbase,
possibly a new cold war in 10 days.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5005572.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMF will take up to 10 days to decide if they will offer help, the British will try to prevent this from happening to keep their stranglehold on us here in Iceland, the Russian loan is on ice  because of something they want in return,<br />
most likely a airbase,<br />
possibly a new cold war in 10 days.</p>
<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5005572.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5005572.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/10/16/unbowed-icelandic-pm-sends-a-strong-message-to-uk/#comment-31114</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As before i agree with everything  William Watson is saying, this whole thing is much more complicated than most people think, as we will see in the near future,
the Brits left last night without making any progress and no further talks have been decided, the status now is that the Brits and Iceland disagree on interpretation of EEU laws, the brits want to give us a massive loan to pay all the banks debts, this would turn Iceland into a slave colony, as i had hoped they were told to f**k off,
this will probably go to court and be decided there
no one is saying we wont pay, its a question of what we will pay
The IMF will step in now and lend 2bn$ and present a plan to repair the economy
other nations may help,like Russia,Japan or Norway,

Peter Germany, every one here are thankful to the Germans for their patience and help, its good to see that the whole world isnt trying to kill us , only the British,
the Duch have taken action, it is a combination of smart moves and co operation, it will work in everybodys best interests

Dave , im sorry about your savings, i had shares in Landsbanki and Glitnir and lost my money 100%
im not crying over that, your not the only one affected by this, at least sooner or later you will get some or all your money back, 
a lot of people are loosing there jobs and there lives are ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As before i agree with everything  William Watson is saying, this whole thing is much more complicated than most people think, as we will see in the near future,<br />
the Brits left last night without making any progress and no further talks have been decided, the status now is that the Brits and Iceland disagree on interpretation of EEU laws, the brits want to give us a massive loan to pay all the banks debts, this would turn Iceland into a slave colony, as i had hoped they were told to f**k off,<br />
this will probably go to court and be decided there<br />
no one is saying we wont pay, its a question of what we will pay<br />
The IMF will step in now and lend 2bn$ and present a plan to repair the economy<br />
other nations may help,like Russia,Japan or Norway,</p>
<p>Peter Germany, every one here are thankful to the Germans for their patience and help, its good to see that the whole world isnt trying to kill us , only the British,<br />
the Duch have taken action, it is a combination of smart moves and co operation, it will work in everybodys best interests</p>
<p>Dave , im sorry about your savings, i had shares in Landsbanki and Glitnir and lost my money 100%<br />
im not crying over that, your not the only one affected by this, at least sooner or later you will get some or all your money back,<br />
a lot of people are loosing there jobs and there lives are ruined.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter of Germany has made some interesting comments that the German authorities also froze assets - yet no vicious feedback from Iceland - I would also guess the Dutch government will have taken some action

It does add serious credibility to the suggestion that Iceland is trying to deflect attention away from its own problems and has found easy targets in the US &amp; UK.

Would it really help with we publically apologised for use terrorist law - let&#039;s get real - I don&#039;t think it would the slightest difference Iceland would find something else to complain about.

It is probably fair to say the British haven&#039;t helped but stop deflecting attention and start taking some responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter of Germany has made some interesting comments that the German authorities also froze assets &#8211; yet no vicious feedback from Iceland &#8211; I would also guess the Dutch government will have taken some action</p>
<p>It does add serious credibility to the suggestion that Iceland is trying to deflect attention away from its own problems and has found easy targets in the US &amp; UK.</p>
<p>Would it really help with we publically apologised for use terrorist law &#8211; let&#8217;s get real &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it would the slightest difference Iceland would find something else to complain about.</p>
<p>It is probably fair to say the British haven&#8217;t helped but stop deflecting attention and start taking some responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter (Germany)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter (Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the Bafin decision:

http://www.bafin.de/cln_116/nn_720486/SharedDocs/Mitteilungen/EN/2008/pm__081010__kaupthing__en.html?__nnn=true

BaFin orders moratorium on Kaupthing Bank hf., German branch

On 9 October 2008, the Federal Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin) issued a stoppage of disposals and payments for the German branch of Kaupthing Bank hf. BaFin also prohibited the branch from receiving payments not intended for payment of debts towards it (“moratorium”).

As the reason for the moratorium, BaFin stated that it had to be ordered to secure the branch’s still remaining assets. The parent company, Kaupthing hf., Iceland, was unable to continue providing the branch with sufficient liquidity. On the evening of 8 October, the Icelandic parent company had already blocked access to the online accounts of its branch in Germany after having been placed under the control of Iceland’s financial supervisory authority.

Kaupthing Bank hf., German branch, currently has roughly 30,800 customers and deposit liabilities amounting to 308 million euros.

Although the branch, as an EEA establishment within the meaning of section 53b (1) German Banking Act (Kreditwesengesetz – KWG), is subject to Icelandic solvency supervision, BaFin nevertheless could order the moratorium according to section 46 KWG because there was the risk of the branch no longer being able to meet its obligations towards its creditors.

The BaFin measures are immediately executable but not yet final.
Bonn/Frankfurt a.M., den 
2008.10.10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Bafin decision:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bafin.de/cln_116/nn_720486/SharedDocs/Mitteilungen/EN/2008/pm__081010__kaupthing__en.html?__nnn=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.bafin.de/cln_116/nn_720486/SharedDocs/Mitteilungen/EN/2008/pm__081010__kaupthing__en.html?__nnn=true</a></p>
<p>BaFin orders moratorium on Kaupthing Bank hf., German branch</p>
<p>On 9 October 2008, the Federal Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin) issued a stoppage of disposals and payments for the German branch of Kaupthing Bank hf. BaFin also prohibited the branch from receiving payments not intended for payment of debts towards it (“moratorium”).</p>
<p>As the reason for the moratorium, BaFin stated that it had to be ordered to secure the branch’s still remaining assets. The parent company, Kaupthing hf., Iceland, was unable to continue providing the branch with sufficient liquidity. On the evening of 8 October, the Icelandic parent company had already blocked access to the online accounts of its branch in Germany after having been placed under the control of Iceland’s financial supervisory authority.</p>
<p>Kaupthing Bank hf., German branch, currently has roughly 30,800 customers and deposit liabilities amounting to 308 million euros.</p>
<p>Although the branch, as an EEA establishment within the meaning of section 53b (1) German Banking Act (Kreditwesengesetz – KWG), is subject to Icelandic solvency supervision, BaFin nevertheless could order the moratorium according to section 46 KWG because there was the risk of the branch no longer being able to meet its obligations towards its creditors.</p>
<p>The BaFin measures are immediately executable but not yet final.<br />
Bonn/Frankfurt a.M., den<br />
2008.10.10</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreatDane. I am interested in your comments and would like to know if you are British or Danish ?
Also why so much interest in this Icelandic banking saga ?
I personally have a lot of money in Icesave and I want it back right now.
I think you would have a different view point if you yourself had money in an Icelandic bank. For sure, we brits are naturally very concerned and worried at the moment and Iceland is public ememy No.1 at the moment.
Me being old fashioned, I would have acted a lot stronger over Icelands &#039;shrug of the shoulders&#039;, we aren&#039;t responsible attitude.
A bit of gun-boat diplomacy and seize anything/everything Icelanic in the UK until we get the money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreatDane. I am interested in your comments and would like to know if you are British or Danish ?<br />
Also why so much interest in this Icelandic banking saga ?<br />
I personally have a lot of money in Icesave and I want it back right now.<br />
I think you would have a different view point if you yourself had money in an Icelandic bank. For sure, we brits are naturally very concerned and worried at the moment and Iceland is public ememy No.1 at the moment.<br />
Me being old fashioned, I would have acted a lot stronger over Icelands &#8216;shrug of the shoulders&#8217;, we aren&#8217;t responsible attitude.<br />
A bit of gun-boat diplomacy and seize anything/everything Icelanic in the UK until we get the money back.</p>
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